It leaned me out a bit but not so much as tren would. I did feel hard and full at the same time, hunger was way up and did gain 8lb. If your looking for a replacement of tren you might be dissapointed, it is good but not that good tren is still at another level.
Just came off a 10 week run of it and no its not like tren if i had to compare it to anything id say its more like high dose of eq. Strong stuff it will shut you down hard, my boys were almost none existent and the pip is bad a few of my boys ran it with me and we all got swelling at the pin...
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