1st Cycle - DBol only; Bad Idea?

[Joe_Average]

so its taken a long ass time but ive managed to find a hook-up for some dbol. i would much rather do a straight test cycle on my first go ... but dianabol is all thats available to me at this point.

I was planning on doing 20mg/day for 6 weeks. I know gains should come faster but its going to be much harder on my liver/blood pressure ... so its seems to me a shorter cycle is appropriate. i will not start until i have nolva on hand (which is still on the shopping list).

anyone think this is a bad idea? I appreciate any input.

 

[Joe_Average]

For everyone's info, I am coming up on my 25th birthday, I have been lifting weights since high school. Im 6'0", weigh 180lbs. I have been as heavy as 195lbs about 6 weeks ago and as light as 150lbs about 2 years ago when I really started taking gaining muscle seriously.

Im looking to weigh in the 185 to 190 range ... but I am hoping to get nice and lean. I put on some muscle as I said, but it has come with some pesky belly fat. What can i say, i am a fat-building, muscle-burning machine.

 

[blackpersondog]

only dbol?...dont waste ur time and ur cash...need test as a base

 

[DJStuC]

To be honest mate, test is what you need, run by itself for 8 - 10 weeks on your 1st cycle. But the reality is like every eles its your 1st time and your not sure about pinning yourself and every one I know started with a DBol only cycle 1st. You will get gains, your blow up like a balloon get strong but when you finish you will loose a huge amount of what you gained as it was water......... but your will have gained some. (your wont look lean on your cycle either) IMO DBol only is how 90% of dudes start out, it gives you a taster of what could be, just make sure if you do deciede to do a 2nd cycle...... You have to do a test cycle or you will get nowhere.
This is just my view I may get roasted for it. Enjoy

 

[zephyrdaz]

Don't use the dbol for your first cycle.

Hold on until you get some Test, and then on your second cycle add the dbol as a kickstart.

 

[remy87]

well personally i feel that there is nothing wrong with a dbol only cycle for a first time user.

it would most certainly depend on what would you like the end-result to be.

however if you are looking for nice and lean, dbol is certainly not the ideal choice because dbol in most cases causes alot of water retention. which may result in looking more 'watery' and bloated. you should be able to however leverage on the strength gains and gain muscle. just that adding in some cardio like running etc, would be good to keep the water retention in check.

adding on to what DJStuC has mentioned, yeah. you will probably lose your gains in a matter of weeks. unless you have a strong off-cycle training regimen to keep them.

i would suggest stanozolol tabs in your case. if you are concerned about using needles for your 1st cycle.

just my 2 cents!

 

[needsize]

man I love reading these posts about dbol, nothing like hearing the "old wives tales" that have been circulating around locker rooms being repeated for lack of better info....

crash course on juice here, the more anabolic a steroid is, the more it will cause actual hypertophy, which is actual muscle growth...not water retention, but actual growth... If you look up actual anablic ratings, dbol is one of the most anabolic drugs out there, in fact, I think it has the same rating, if not higher, than test. So in effect, that means you will grow from it at least as well as you will from test. Then add in the fact that some people dont grow from test, myself being one of them, even at over 3000mg a week, I dont grow from it, and there are many like me. Not to mention, test, especially a long acting one like enth, will cause at least as much bloat as dbol, so you will piss out as much water when you stop.

Test is better because you can generally run it for longer periods of time safely as its not an oral. Also, you see a lot of people run dbol who arent very serious and its very easy to take, so they blow up, then lose a lot as they dont do proper post cycle therapy (pct), dont train when they come off...name your reason, there are lots of them....

So run your cycle bro, at that dose your blood pressure should be okay. You can easily run it 6 weeks on that dose, honestly I would say you could go 8 easily. If the gains really slow down, I would bump it to 30mg a day split into 3 doses to keep the gains coming

 

[Monstar]

man I love reading these posts about dbol, nothing like hearing the "old wives tales" that have been circulating around locker rooms being repeated for lack of better info....

crash course on juice here, the more anabolic a steroid is, the more it will cause actual hypertophy, which is actual muscle growth...not water retention, but actual growth... If you look up actual anablic ratings, dbol is one of the most anabolic drugs out there, in fact, I think it has the same rating, if not higher, than test. So in effect, that means you will grow from it at least as well as you will from test. Then add in the fact that some people dont grow from test, myself being one of them, even at over 3000mg a week, I dont grow from it, and there are many like me. Not to mention, test, especially a long acting one like enth, will cause at least as much bloat as dbol, so you will piss out as much water when you stop.

Test is better because you can generally run it for longer periods of time safely as its not an oral. Also, you see a lot of people run dbol who arent very serious and its very easy to take, so they blow up, then lose a lot as they dont do proper post cycle therapy (pct), dont train when they come off...name your reason, there are lots of them....

So run your cycle bro, at that dose your blood pressure should be okay. You can easily run it 6 weeks on that dose, honestly I would say you could go 8 easily. If the gains really slow down, I would bump it to 30mg a day split into 3 doses to keep the gains coming

Finally, one mod thats on the same page as me.

 

[blackpersondog]

monstar u from grand rapids?.

 

[Joe_Average]

Really appreciate all the feedback guys. I didn't realize dbol was such a hot button issue. lol

i really have no problem "pinning" myself. The orals and the liver toxicity definitely bothers me more than a needle. I could wait until some test comes along but itll be some time down the road.

Sounds like if I am willing to "defend" my gains at the end (which I more than am) it should be worth while. I'm going to do as needsize recommends:

weeks 1-5/6 20mg/d
weeks 5/6-8 30mg/d - depending on how everything feels

4 weeks nolva post cycle therapy (pct) ... and as needed during the cycle.

anyone else want to add their two cents? I'm holding off until late august to start. i'll keep everyone posted on my results. perhaps i can help settle the debate.

 

[needsize]

definitely keep everyone updated on how you do, especially afterwards, I would love to put this debate to rest, but I dont think that will ever happen. Arnold called dbol the breakfast of champions with good reason, mg per mg, it is my favourite steroid!
My only feedback would be to not write your doses in stone, meaning see what your body is doing, if in week 3 or 4 you feel you need to go high, add a few mg... A lot of people will get into possible liver damage, I do personally believe its way over-rated. I know this isnt proof for anyone else, but I thought I would check it out myself at one point. So I started my cycle at 80mg a day, plus my injectables. At week 6-7 I had a blood test, and my liver values were still well within the normal range. And I know my dbol was definitely legit

 

[youngpretender86]

I'm soon going to be starting the same cycle, and I'm glad I heard what needsize and monstar are saying. The research I did re-iterate what they say, but the general perseption of others say the opposite. In my experience in life though, so many people are sheep and just repeat others opinions without a second thought or there own experience, so the fact that needsize and monstar are so upfront about opposing the idea that d-bols are no good, to me, warrants them and d-bol with more worth and credability.

For instance, d-bol was thee only steroid worth taking decades ago. it's effect hasn't deminished just because it's now 2008. Common sense to me really. Course there is now better options out there, but if needles ain't the way you want to go, d-bols are probably the best option. Others now label it as crap when in actual fact, it's still as good as it always was.

As well as novladex, maybe try and get a hold of some provironum too and take them combined. The novladex will prevent the effects of the hightened estrogen levels on your body, such as gyno wheras the provironum will prevent the d-bol from aromatising into estrogen in the 1st place and will lower the ammount of water retension etc, so you see more real gains than water. As the dude before says, a decent post cycle therapy (pct) to prevent the hightened estrogen from eating into your new muscle and growing bitch tits is a must. And to give your testicals time to come back home. I'll be adding 6-oxo to my post cycle therapy (pct) to help that out. A poorly carried out post cycle therapy (pct) is probably the main reason why d-bol has such a poor reputation - if you think how many n00bs and non-serious users there is out there in comparason to injectable users.

Post updates and let us know how you get on.

BTW, This is all my opinion from hours of research and i'm currently waiting on my order to arrive, but I'll pretty much be doing the same cycle as yourself. I'll post an update on my cycle, but only once i'm finished it and the post cycle therapy (pct), so your talking 12 weeks away.

 

[mcchunter]

re

i think you would be wasting your money on the 6-oxo
why not get clomid-its cheaper and way better

 

[Trevdog]

I don't think dbol only is ideal but I also see nothing really wrong with it, for the reasons listed above.

I really discourage relying on proviron to control estrogen. It is ineffective at doing so.

Aromasin or arimidex would be much better. Nolvadex is also effective at blocking the receptors.

 

[needsize]

I don't think dbol only is ideal but I also see nothing really wrong with it, for the reasons listed above.

I really discourage relying on proviron to control estrogen. It is ineffective at doing so.

Aromasin or arimidex would be much better. Nolvadex is also effective at blocking the receptors.

very true, but personally if you arent prone to gyno, I would leave the estrogen alone, the bloat will make you much stronger, which generally leads to more size. I usually suggest run the cycle but have nolva on hand so you can jump on it if you get gyno symptoms

 

[Trevdog]

Agreed.

 

[Joe_Average]

I would love to put this debate to rest, but I dont think that will ever happen.

Ya. I kinda figured the same. Seems like one of those things where people have their opinion and no evidence is going to swing them either way. but i feel comfortable with the idea now. if it worked for arnold ...

getting off topic now, but what is everyone's opinion on these otc post cycle therapy (pct) supplements like 6oxo and novedex. i am pretty skeptical of supplements as it is. the lack of regulation leaves everyone wide open to paying for bullshit. seems to me that post cycle therapy (pct) is not something you should leave to chance.