1st ever cycle. PH or Test Prop?!

[TheIndecisiveNatty]

Maximus (375mg 1-androsterone and 300mg epiandrosterone) 30 days
Gear support 30 days
Hawthorne berry 30 days
PCT starting on 31st day for 4 weeks
Apex male
Aromadren

OR

test prop 100mg eod wk 1-6
armidex .5 eod wk 1-6
PCT 7-10
nolva 40/40/20/20
clomid 100/100/25/25
Dont believe HCG is necessary because of the length of cycle

185 6'1 8% looking to put on lean mass and hit 6%

with regards to PH cycle. both compounds are non methylated so not as hard on liver.
Dont have balding or acne issues that the DHT could flair up although i know acne is still common with it

any feedback is appreciated!!
id prefer the PH cycle. no issues with needles but i heard prop PIP isnt a joke
also id like a shorter cycle thats why im not doing the prop for 8 weeks. also have to add hcg to that

 

[TheIndecisiveNatty]

Maximus (375mg 1-androsterone and 300mg epiandrosterone) 30 days
Gear support 30 days
Hawthorne berry 30 days
PCT starting on 31st day for 4 weeks
Apex male
Aromadren

OR

test prop 100mg eod wk 1-6
armidex .5 eod wk 1-6
PCT 7-10
nolva 40/40/20/20
clomid 100/100/25/25
Dont believe HCG is necessary because of the length of cycle

185 6'1 8% looking to put on lean mass and hit 6%

with regards to PH cycle. both compounds are non methylated so not as hard on liver.
Dont have balding or acne issues that the DHT could flair up although i know acne is still common with it

any feedback is appreciated!!
id prefer the PH cycle. no issues with needles but i heard prop PIP isnt a joke
also id like a shorter cycle thats why im not doing the prop for 8 weeks. also have to add hcg to that

 

[tury694]

I will be the first one to point out that you are very light given your height. Why are you picking prop over test e or c? If it is the water retention issue that can be controlled with an AI. A six week cycle won't do shit for you. I am ignoring the PH portion of the question as it is not even worth acknowledging. Run test E or C for 12 weeks or run test prop for 10 weeks. You sound like you have not done enough research either. Good luck with that goal of 6% in 6 weeks, won't happen, and I have my doubts about you being 8% to begin with but it is fairly possible. BTW how old are you?

 

[snowpatrol123]

I'll second tury's skepticism, lets see a picture of 8%...

That being said, how old are you?

 

[Bigboss12]

6 weeks isn't going to be enough even with prop. I myself used a couple ph's before aas and I wish I never had. They are pretty tough on the body. Not that aas aren't but I wouldn't recommend ph's how old are you?

 

[tury694]

6 weeks isn't going to be enough even with prop. I myself used a couple ph's before aas and I wish I never had. They are pretty tough on the body. Not that aas aren't but I wouldn't recommend ph's how old are you?

Exactly, many of the PH's on the market are as harsh as running a dbol only cycle for 4 weeks. Some will give you "gains" but you won't keep that shit. If you want to fuck around with hormones just jump straight into AAS instead of drinking some mystery chemical from the scumbags at GNC.

 

[TheIndecisiveNatty]

water retention is the exact reason. i have friends that started with the suggested enth and they all do prop now because they all personally feel theres less water retention. 8% was 2 weeks ago and i went to a local lab that does hydrostatic weighing which id say is accurate.
im 21 (i know i know) fairly light for my height yes but my goal is aesthetics. dont know my PRs but my 5x5 are 235 bench 325 squat 415 DL
originally came up with an 8 week cycle back in january but opted out of it
prop 150 eod 1-8
adex .5 eod 1-8
hcg 250 Mon Thu 1-8
pct 4 wks
clomid 50/50/25/25
nolva 40/40/20/20

 

[tury694]

water retention is the exact reason. i have friends that started with the suggested enth and they all do prop now because they all personally feel theres less water retention. 8% was 2 weeks ago and i went to a local lab that does hydrostatic weighing which id say is accurate.
im 21 (i know i know) fairly light for my height yes but my goal is aesthetics. dont know my PRs but my 5x5 are 235 bench 325 squat 415 DL
originally came up with an 8 week cycle back in january but opted out of it
prop 150 eod 1-8
adex .5 eod 1-8
hcg 250 Mon Thu 1-8
pct 4 wks
clomid 50/50/25/25
nolva 40/40/20/20

Not trying to bash you, but the cycles you laid out in the first post look like shit. This one looks ok, but can still use work. That whole issue of less water retention when using prop is fucking bro science to the fullest. Run the test e or c 12 wks and you will not put on water if you control your estrogen, which .5 adex eod seems like too much and I would recommend .25mg eod.

You seem like you are just too young for this man, and this is coming from someone who is only 26. I would advise you not to run it, but if you do it then do it the right way.

 

[TheIndecisiveNatty]

Not trying to bash you, but the cycles you laid out in the first post look like shit. This one looks ok, but can still use work. That whole issue of less water retention when using prop is fucking bro science to the fullest. Run the test e or c 12 wks and you will not put on water if you control your estrogen, which .5 adex eod seems like too much and I would recommend .25mg eod.

You seem like you are just too young for this man, and this is coming from someone who is only 26. I would advise you not to run it, but if you do it then do it the right way.

i thought the .5 was high too. but im all for the bashing, strangers tell you what you need to hear, buddies tell you what you want to hear

 

[Bigboss12]

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/674832-rippedzilla-s-thread-knowledge.html

Give this a read it shows why cycling to young (before 25) is harmful to you being fully developed. I would say train naturally a couple more years get your diet down perfect then make the decision to use aas later.

 

[tury694]

i thought the .5 was high too. but im all for the bashing, strangers tell you what you need to hear, buddies tell you what you want to hear

It is too high. You will probably only need .25 eod. Get bloods mid cycle and then adjust your dosage. I know you most likely won't listen to the people on here, myself included, but you should run a test e beginner cycle. You will be able to accomplish your goal of getting lean muscle gains by keeping your estraidol low enough and having a good diet. I still doubt the 8% but who fucking cares this is the internet and people can be whatever they want to be.

I still stick by my statement that you are too young, but good luck nonetheless.

 

[tury694]

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/674832-rippedzilla-s-thread-knowledge.html

Give this a read it shows why cycling to young (before 25) is harmful to you being fully developed. I would say train naturally a couple more years get your diet down perfect then make the decision to use aas later.

Trust me dude, convincing people to not do shit that they have already committed to is near impossible. He should hold off on it, but I doubt he will. Anything written by that Rippedzilla guy is worth looking at for sure and op should read it before he does anything.

 

[Bigboss12]

Trust me dude, convincing people to not do shit that they have already committed to is near impossible. He should hold off on it, but I doubt he will. Anything written by that Rippedzilla guy is worth looking at for sure and op should read it before he does anything.

I know it most likely useless but at least he has the information and its up to him to listen and follow it or not. Of course if he doesn't I hope he at least cycles correctly.

 

[Megatron28]

What is your age?

 

[Megatron28]

I just saw that you started two threadsnin different forums with the same question. I have merged your threads together.

 

[Hypnotix]

Literally, Fuck Prohormones.

My liver took a heavy toll doing them, they're not worth it. Just say no to Orals unless it's 1 at a time, with injectable Test, and you keep it short! Not the Test cycle, the Orals within the Test Cycle.

Blah, moving on. Test Only first cycle.

You're 21.. too young. I'm 24, and looking at myself at 21 and now.. there's so much difference in my maturity, intellect, wittiness.. Taking steroids can have direct effects on the development of your brain, until at on average 25y.o. So, yes I took the risk early, but not as early.

8%.. please post a picture. Hydrostatic's have to be re-calibrated every so often (many places don't even know), and are not always accurate in the first place. If you're really 8%.. at 185, you're fine! Why move to roids before you need to, all for what, 2% less bodyfat..?

Don't do it bud, if you need to hear why.. we'll throw plenty more reasons than your brain development out.