THE-DET-OAK
IncreasedMyT @ ULV
its been a while since i learned it-but i thought for sure it was up to 187.5 hopefully someone will jump in and straighten me out.
1st steroid cycle advice
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3J
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yea, iv been told and see studies that say 11mg a day is what your body produces normally.. im sure puberty is diff...
StoneColdNTO
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We produce the equalivent of some where between 70 - 90mg/week
3J
Super Moderator
yea, i thought i had it in the right range..
THE-DET-OAK
IncreasedMyT @ ULV
Does the natty test we produce have an active life? Does it accumulate?
THE-DET-OAK
IncreasedMyT @ ULV
here is a chunk of the read stone posted the other day that is now a sticky
The normal range for total T in men is 241-827 ng/dl according to Labcorp and 260-1000 ng/dl according to Quest Laboratories. The normal range for IGF-1 is 81-225 according to Labcorp. Total T and IGF-1 levels were taken after 16 weeks and resulted in the following;
Total Testosterone
300 mg group-1,345 ng/dl a 691 ng increase from baseline
600 mg group-2,370 ng/dl a 1,737 ng increase from baseline
this leads me to believe at 300mg your not even doubling your test
and at 600 your barely doubling it-from optimum levels
The normal range for total T in men is 241-827 ng/dl according to Labcorp and 260-1000 ng/dl according to Quest Laboratories. The normal range for IGF-1 is 81-225 according to Labcorp. Total T and IGF-1 levels were taken after 16 weeks and resulted in the following;
Total Testosterone
300 mg group-1,345 ng/dl a 691 ng increase from baseline
600 mg group-2,370 ng/dl a 1,737 ng increase from baseline
this leads me to believe at 300mg your not even doubling your test
and at 600 your barely doubling it-from optimum levels
THE-DET-OAK
IncreasedMyT @ ULV
and another chunk
Given the results of the study and based on years of personal experience I believe the first time user can safely use between 300-600 mg of testosterone enanthate or cypionate per week for 8-12 weeks. Because it is desirable to have even blood androgen levels I advise at least 2 equal injections per week. Testosterone cypionate peaks within 1-2 days after injection and falls off to almost baseline by day 10. Therefore waiting 7 days between injections of cypionate would cause wide fluctuations in blood androgen levels.
Given the results of the study and based on years of personal experience I believe the first time user can safely use between 300-600 mg of testosterone enanthate or cypionate per week for 8-12 weeks. Because it is desirable to have even blood androgen levels I advise at least 2 equal injections per week. Testosterone cypionate peaks within 1-2 days after injection and falls off to almost baseline by day 10. Therefore waiting 7 days between injections of cypionate would cause wide fluctuations in blood androgen levels.
THE-DET-OAK
IncreasedMyT @ ULV
testosterone propionate is roughly 84% pure test. so 500mg a week would be 420mg.
testosterone enanthate is roughly 72% pure test so at 600mg a week would be like 423mg pure test a week.
testosterone enanthate is roughly 72% pure test so at 600mg a week would be like 423mg pure test a week.
3J
Super Moderator
that's diff bud.. we're talking about the equivelence of test in mg form...
THE-DET-OAK
IncreasedMyT @ ULV
not really different
the person @ 300mg a week did not even double his normal testosterone readings from optimal levels
the person @ 600mg a week just barely doubled there test levels
so what im saying is if i can safely run 600mg of test cyp-as a first time user-then i can safely use 150mg EOD of prop as a first time user.
as I demonstrated the amount of pure test at each dose is almost identical
the person @ 300mg a week did not even double his normal testosterone readings from optimal levels
the person @ 600mg a week just barely doubled there test levels
so what im saying is if i can safely run 600mg of test cyp-as a first time user-then i can safely use 150mg EOD of prop as a first time user.
as I demonstrated the amount of pure test at each dose is almost identical
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3J
Super Moderator
prop hits u in a diff manner then cyp my friend... just as im feeling crappy thx to a 1g front load right now, someone who does 150mg of prop would be feeling weird too... im not saying u cant run 150mg eod... im just saying someone with little cycle exp shouldn't run so high.. that's why i was agreeing with at least starting at 100mg eod and then bumping
i can tell u iv spoken with hundreds of people who've ran prop at 100mg eod with great gains..
i can tell u iv spoken with hundreds of people who've ran prop at 100mg eod with great gains..
THE-DET-OAK
IncreasedMyT @ ULV
I'm not saying he wouldn't gain-just that he would be fine-and prob gain more at 150-and since this study is basically saying its safe to run 300-600-then why not?
On my second cycle I ran 150 at the beginning with no Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and no issues
On my second cycle I ran 150 at the beginning with no Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and no issues
THE-DET-OAK
IncreasedMyT @ ULV
yes but i dont think it is that simple
even though we produce 70-90 mg a week-it took the guys in the study 600mg a week to double their test levels
so either
A) natty test has an active life and it compounds
or
B) you have to shoot that much to get your levels up due to the nasty hormone SHBG
im trying to figure it out-someone please explain!!!!
even though we produce 70-90 mg a week-it took the guys in the study 600mg a week to double their test levels
so either
A) natty test has an active life and it compounds
or
B) you have to shoot that much to get your levels up due to the nasty hormone SHBG
im trying to figure it out-someone please explain!!!!
THE-DET-OAK
IncreasedMyT @ ULV
bump......i know someone know the explanation to this!!!!!!!!
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