20years old going on TRT

[GrownAssNigga]

What up fellas?!

Ok, I'm 20 years old, started feeling like shit this summer and did bunch of tests. My testosterone test looked 18,4 nmol/l and my endocrynologist said that normal numbers for my age should be (25 - 30nmol/l) I got prescribed sustanon 250 every 3 weeks but I noticed that peoples oppinion on this medication that it's a little bit heavy, what do you think? Thanks

 

[Misc]

you in the UK? thats a horrible dosage schedule. you should be taking it once a week at a minimum. ask the doc if you can take more frequent injections to keep your levels more stable. id be doing 100mg a week. i do 100mg E5D which works out to 140mg a week of test cyp.

 

[GrownAssNigga]

Well the doc said that my levels arent THAT low, and a shot once a 3 weeks should help until the body stops producing it at all, what medication are you taking? I head "sustanon 250" is a heavy medicine and no I'm not from UK

 

[cjw2021]

do what your doc says and see how it works. just have him test your levels and make sure they are around 800+ while on therapy.

 

[MoparMuscle]

do what your doc says and see how it works. just have him test your levels and make sure they are around 800+ while on therapy.

This. Get those blood tests.

I feel the best in the 700-1000 range for total T.

 

[rp2100]

18.4 nmol/L = 530 ng/dL

I'd say that's below average for your age, but I wouldn't call it low.

My opinion: testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is a big decision, and with levels like that I certainly wouldn't rush into it. Before starting Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) of any sort I would get the doctor to look into other possible reasons why you "feel like shit." If you do conclude that it is due to low test, then I would explore other treatment options to boost your levels up a bit before getting on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) (e.g. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) or clomid).

Furthermore, you didn't say anything about yourself other than that you're 20. Are you overweight? Do you eat well? Exercise regularly?

 

[MoparMuscle]

If your set on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and or have already started I'd divide the script up into a every 5 day dose. 250mg every 3 wks = 21 days / 5 = 4.2. 250mg / 4.2 = take 60mg once every 5 days. End result is same dose as script but more stable blood levels of T.

 

[GrownAssNigga]

18.4 nmol/L = 530 ng/dL

I'd say that's below average for your age, but I wouldn't call it low.

My opinion: testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is a big decision, and with levels like that I certainly wouldn't rush into it. Before starting Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) of any sort I would get the doctor to look into other possible reasons why you "feel like shit." If you do conclude that it is due to low test, then I would explore other treatment options to boost your levels up a bit before getting on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) (e.g. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) or clomid).

Furthermore, you didn't say anything about yourself other than that you're 20. Are you overweight? Do you eat well? Exercise regularly?

Height 2m. Weight 103kg. I was muscular, right now I'm losing my muscle badly, having excess skin like old people do, having a small degree of gynecomastia, absolutely NO libido, erection problems, thin facial hair and body hair getting less and less, I trained since I was 13, right now my muscles heal very bad so I dont work out. Dont know what to add more

 

[TR2838]

Take the money that your going to spend on testosterone therapy and hire a nutritionist and a trainer.. You have a doc that obviously doesn't know anything about proper testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) administration, you don't know anything about it either, your levels are not that bad, and you're too young..

 

[GrownAssNigga]

Take the money that your going to spend on testosterone therapy and hire a nutritionist and a trainer.. You have a doc that obviously doesn't know anything about proper testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) administration, you don't know anything about it either, your levels are not that bad, and you're too young..

I dont have money for nutritionist or a trainer... BUT I have a plan B and that would be: 1) Start training 2) Take some "Tribulus testeris" + "ZMA" (testosterone boosters) 3) Eat 1 slice of garlic every day and 1 cup of tomato juice every day, that should help me If my balls are not dead yet, because they definately are WAY smaller than before. What else I could do to boost it naturally? I'm ready for anything

 

[Hardtimes]

I disagree with people telling you that you are to young. That is ignorant for people to say that. age is just a number, and is even more irrelevant if you feel beyond that digit. there is not a proper age to start trt. If test improves the qulity of your and you have the finical means, then feel better. Dont let anyone tell you that your not good enough, or old enough, to do anything, or FEEL AIVE. U

 

[senas23]

I disagree with people telling you that you are to young. That is ignorant for people to say that. age is just a number, and is even more irrelevant if you feel beyond that digit. there is not a proper age to start trt. If test improves the qulity of your and you have the finical means, then feel better. Dont let anyone tell you that your not good enough, or old enough, to do anything, or FEEL AIVE. U

I agree with Hardtimes here. You can be born with a genetic defect like me and countless other people, or a cause of an injury. I see people say oh you're too young! They honestly have no idea what's going on with YOUR body. "No it's not all in your head" God I hate when people say that! As a child I lived a normal life, then about age 16 that's when my symptoms started. Sadly my mom thought it was the best thing to not be placed on trt/hrt..which was a big mistake.

Anyway Good Luck OP, and don't give up! look for answers dude. Don't wait it out like I did.

 

[rp2100]

I disagree with people telling you that you are to young. That is ignorant for people to say that. age is just a number, and is even more irrelevant if you feel beyond that digit. there is not a proper age to start trt. If test improves the qulity of your and you have the finical means, then feel better. Dont let anyone tell you that your not good enough, or old enough, to do anything, or FEEL AIVE. U

I agree with Hardtimes here. You can be born with a genetic defect like me and countless other people, or a cause of an injury. I see people say oh you're too young! They honestly have no idea what's going on with YOUR body. "No it's not all in your head" God I hate when people say that! As a child I lived a normal life, then about age 16 that's when my symptoms started. Sadly my mom thought it was the best thing to not be placed on trt/hrt..which was a big mistake.

Anyway Good Luck OP, and don't give up! look for answers dude. Don't wait it out like I did.

Fellas, his test level is 530 ng/dl! I'd hardly call that a "genetic defect." Yes, it could be higher, but it could also be A LOT lower. Look at this poll: What was your total testosterone level before starting testosterone replacement therapy (TRT)? . ONE guy had a test level in the 525-600 range before starting TRT. That was cashout, and he said he got on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) because that was a "30% decline from my normal range of 900+ ng/dl."

Honestly, I think he should explore some other possibilities before starting TRT. At the very least he should get more extensive blood work done first. All he revealed was his total test level; we don't know his E2, LH, FSH, free test, etc. testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is great for those who need it, but let's not make this a case where all you've got is a hammer and so everything looks like a nail.

 

[rp2100]

I dont have money for nutritionist or a trainer... BUT I have a plan B and that would be: 1) Start training 2) Take some "Tribulus testeris" + "ZMA" (testosterone boosters) 3) Eat 1 slice of garlic every day and 1 cup of tomato juice every day, that should help me If my balls are not dead yet, because they definately are WAY smaller than before. What else I could do to boost it naturally? I'm ready for anything

My opinion:

1) Good
2) Can't hurt
3) I've never heard of garlic + tomato juice as a restart protocol, haha!

As far as dietary changes, it is said that consuming a good amount of healthy fats and cholesterol is necessary for optimal hormone production. Cutting out all processed foods could make a difference in how you feel. Maybe eliminate gluten and/or dairy. Try some stuff out and see if it makes a difference!

 

[senas23]

Fellas, his test level is 530 ng/dl! I'd hardly call that a "genetic defect." Yes, it could be higher, but it could also be A LOT lower. Look at this poll: What was your total testosterone level before starting testosterone replacement therapy (TRT)? . ONE guy had a test level in the 525-600 range before starting TRT. That was cashout, and he said he got on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) because that was a "30% decline from my normal range of 900+ ng/dl."

Honestly, I think he should explore some other possibilities before starting TRT. At the very least he should get more extensive blood work done first. All he revealed was his total test level; we don't know his E2, LH, FSH, free test, etc. testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is great for those who need it, but let's not make this a case where all you've got is a hammer and so everything looks like a nail.

I understand what you're saying, but for me it was normal. I tested in 2008. I was like 22 years old my level was at 244, and now it's like 150. It can gradually go down as he ages. I know his condition isn't the same as mine. It's just something to really look out for though.

I agree you should do a more natural approach before you take the plunge. I've tried many myself. When I knew testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) was my only option. My doc decided to get me on testosterone drops(I broke out), and then he said testosterone pellets would benefit me..I will NEVER EVER GET THE PELLETS AGAIN!! He didn't want to put me on injections..he kept trying to get me on buccal testosterone..hell no!

 

[Hardtimes]

Fellas, his test level is 530 ng/dl! I'd hardly call that a "genetic defect." Yes, it could be higher, but it could also be A LOT lower. Look at this poll: What was your total testosterone level before starting testosterone replacement therapy (TRT)? . ONE guy had a test level in the 525-600 range before starting TRT. That was cashout, and he said he got on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) because that was a "30% decline from my normal range of 900+ ng/dl."

Honestly, I think he should explore some other possibilities before starting TRT. At the very least he should get more extensive blood work done first. All he revealed was his total test level; we don't know his E2, LH, FSH, free test, etc. testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is great for those who need it, but let's not make this a case where all you've got is a hammer and so everything looks like a nail.

Your post is invalid. You are acting like a local doctor. Only looking at numbers, as if it is absolute truth. You fail to see past the numerals and reconize that he has taken the initiated to test himself, not to waste his time, but to make a discovery upon the reasons why he feels the way he does. You are right his numbers can be lower, but if you want to play hypothetics, They SHOULD be higher, especialy the digit relative to his existence. Your poll is also irrelevant, and is about to be used against you. Your reference to cash out makes no sense, OKAY he had relative levels as to OP, and he is on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), DOESNT THAT JUST BACKUP WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY? He experienced a 30% decline, ok fair i guess? How do you not know that OP has experienced a GREATER decline in the last few years? You are not on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) yourself, so why would you give advice when you have no personal experiacned? It angers me when people try to DISCOURAGE others from testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) because of bullshit. I am not saying ALL reasons for avoidance are bullshit, just the illogical ones, I am sure someone on here could easily crush any argument i may make. If OP is wrong in opening the door to testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), Then by your logic, cashout, who appears to have great knowledge around here, must be wrong as well. And he seems to be doing pretty good with himself. Saying someone should not be open to testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) with symptoms, is like saying a child with a broken back, should avoid pain pills, and seek other remedies. If ANYONE, YOUNG OR OLD, treats their symptoms with testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), and testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) fails, then i believe it is a MUST to seek other scenarios.

 

[MoparMuscle]

I'd tell any friend that was in their low to mid 20s with a mid 500s total t levels to seek alternative ways to boost t to mod 600s or so 1st. Restart, natty methods etc. Just my opinion though. ALL of my friends I know that have been tested in their 20s are mid 600s. In fact the 4 guys I know that have shared thier levels with me are all aged 22-27 with a low to mid 600 level. All of them have totally healthy sex drives etc. I know until I got under 200 life was "livable with low t". So in my limited experience I'd tell him to seek to boost in other ways and to do lots more testing for the cause of his symptoms because he's pretty close to what (limited group I know), seems to be avg.

Not saying he won't or doesn't need it, saying before you start a lifelong dependance on any drug you do a lot of checking, testing and soul searching. It's a big commitment in time, money and who knows what health effects 30yrs down the road (I've not seem any LONG term studies of male hrt).

 

[rp2100]

Hardtimes, I chose my words very carefully and if you re-read my posts you will see that. I never said that testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is out of the question for him. Rather, my argument is that he should explore other options and possibilities first and that he shouldn't rush into a lifelong decision.

Your post is invalid. You are acting like a local doctor. Only looking at numbers, as if it is absolute truth.

The only conclusion I have drawn based on the 2 numbers the original poster has provided, i.e. his age (20) and test level (530 ng/dl), is that he should explore other possible causes and treatment options before pursuing a lifetime of TRT.

You fail to see past the numerals and reconize that he has taken the initiated to test himself, not to waste his time, but to make a discovery upon the reasons why he feels the way he does.

It's good that he has taken the initiative to investigate his health concerns, but in my opinion his test level is not low enough to conclude that testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is the answer for his problems. It might be, it might not be.

You are right his numbers can be lower, but if you want to play hypothetics, They SHOULD be higher, especialy the digit relative to his existence. Your poll is also irrelevant, and is about to be used against you. Your reference to cash out makes no sense, OKAY he had relative levels as to OP, and he is on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), DOESNT THAT JUST BACKUP WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY? He experienced a 30% decline, ok fair i guess? How do you not know that OP has experienced a GREATER decline in the last few years?

The purpose of the survey results was merely to show that guys with 500+ test levels are not lining up to get on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), although there are exceptions. Is the original poster one such exception? Maybe, maybe not.

You are not on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) yourself, so why would you give advice when you have no personal experiacned?

You are correct that I am not on HRT. However, my test level is significantly lower than the original poster's and I have been exploring treatment options and coming up with my own plan of attack, so to speak. I'm educating myself and I'm not rushing into anything, and my advice is that the original poster do the same.

It angers me when people try to DISCOURAGE others from testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) because of bullshit. I am not saying ALL reasons for avoidance are bullshit, just the illogical ones, I am sure someone on here could easily crush any argument i may make.

What I tried to do was ENCOURAGE the original poster to explore other possibilities and treatment options first.

If OP is wrong in opening the door to testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), Then by your logic, cashout, who appears to have great knowledge around here, must be wrong as well. And he seems to be doing pretty good with himself.

I never said that cashout was wrong to pursue TRT. The fact that he knew his levels were 900+ prior to his 579 reading and onset of low T symptoms is a good example of staying on top of one's health and making informed decisions based on sufficient evidence.

Saying someone should not be open to testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) with symptoms, is like saying a child with a broken back, should avoid pain pills, and seek other remedies. If ANYONE, YOUNG OR OLD, treats their symptoms with testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), and testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) fails, then i believe it is a MUST to seek other scenarios.

IMO, it makes more sense to try other scenarios first before TRT. If nothing else, the original poster could try Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) or clomid therapy to see if it raises his test levels, and if so, if it has any effect on his symptoms.

 

[senas23]

Can't we all get along? lets not stray away from the OP's post