3rd cycle advice quick check please

[gazpud]

Age 45
weight 200lbs
height 6' 0"
bf 12%

First 2 cycles were sustanon 250 then upped to sust 350 with no sides and good gains

Wk 1-5 Dianabol 40mg ed
Wk 1-4 test p eod
Wk 5-14 Sustanon 400 1ml 2x a week Sun morning/Weds evening
Wk 15-16 test p eod

Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

Arimidex 0.5 e3d for the first 6 weeks
Milk thistle and pro liver throughout

 

[Megatron28]

Why not just run Test Prop the entire cycle? Switching esters complicates things. And you forgot to list the dosage of the Prop.

This is your third cycle. Why such a low Sust dosage? Normally a first cycle would be at 500mg/week. I would like yo see you on at least that much for a third cycle.

Take NAC for you liver.

If you up the test dose you may need an AI the whole cycle.

I would recommend adding hCG to your cycle. It helps minimize testicular atrophy which improves recovery during PCT.

 

[Ziegler]

Do you have any specifics from the first and second cycle like start weight body fat starting bench and squat. I am very interested in this cycle your going to run please take notes in a detailed journal starting day one
Weight
Body fat
Arms legs neck and chest measurements
Bench press & squat strength gains
If any sides come up
Supplements & protein doses
And any other details you can think of please.
like water and food intake

 

[gazpud]

Sorry i forgot to say sustanon 400 at 2 injections a week so 800mg/week
I prefer Sust as I know it does wonders for me
Thanks for the reply

 

[Megatron28]

Sorry i forgot to say sustanon 400 at 2 injections a week so 800mg/week
I prefer Sust as I know it does wonders for me
Thanks for the reply

Sustanon has short esters included in the blend. It should be injected EOD. Twice a week is too infrequent.

By the way, you realize that Test is Test, right? You will get the same result regardless of the ester.

 

[oldmusclemike]

what are your goals for this cycle

 

[gazpud]

I have seen the arguments for eod and twice a week with Sust and it splits the forum, I prefer the twice a week and have made gains I have been happy with.

I know test is test but I prefer the mix of blends less injections and cheaper per mg.

I have been doing it for the strength gains on my previous cycles but I am hoping for a bit of extra mass this time hence the dbol. I made 15 and 20 lb gains keeping 2/3rds of that after pct. I am hoping for 25 keeping 20 if it's possible.

 

[gazpud]

The Sust varient I am using is 25mg test propionate,187mg test cypionate and 188mg test enanthate so I think the amount of short ester is too little to be of consequence.

 

[tbonexl]

So with that dose, why are you running adex for the first six weeks?

 

[gazpud]

It was recommended with Dianabol, I have had it and Letro on hand for the first 2 cycles but it wasn't needed, but with dbol it would be.

 

[tbonexl]

Uhh, it will be needed throughout your whole cycle bud. You need to read up on the stickys and learn. You got the wrong idea..

 

[Onk]

I have seen the arguments for eod and twice a week with Sust and it splits the forum, I prefer the twice a week and have made gains I have been happy with.

I know test is test but I prefer the mix of blends less injections and cheaper per mg.

I have been doing it for the strength gains on my previous cycles but I am hoping for a bit of extra mass this time hence the dbol. I made 15 and 20 lb gains keeping 2/3rds of that after pct. I am hoping for 25 keeping 20 if it's possible.

it actually doesn't "split the forum"
the arguments made for pinning sust less frequently are for those that have not studied chemistry or wish to ignore the following:

you have prop as an ester which has a very short half life. Prop is pinned ED or EoD. E3.5D (2x a week) will cause a lot more issues than EoD ever would....so enjoy your fluctuating test levels!

 

[bigben66]

it actually doesn't "split the forum"
the arguments made for pinning sust less frequently are for those that have not studied chemistry or wish to ignore the following:

you have prop as an ester which has a very short half life. Prop is pinned ED or EoD. E3.5D (2x a week) will cause a lot more issues than EoD ever would....so enjoy your fluctuating test levels!

Sorry Onk, I disagree with you on this... Only a tiny % of the Sust 400 is a Prop ester... He'll be getting over 360mg (720mg per week) of the longer esters.
Pinning frequency should always be dictated by the prominent esters.

Having said that, it's blatantly obvious that the OP hasn't done any research - MegaTron is correct - Test is Test.
Sustanon isn't a great form of Test to use on cycle for obvious reasons - it has so many esters and variables.

My advice OP - if you haven't bought your gear yet - is to settle on either Enanthate or Cypionate and run this for the duration.
I don't see why you are changing your form of Test midway through your cycle. It makes no sense.

If it was to kickstart your cycle, you've already added D'Bol for that purpose.

BigBen

 

[tbonexl]

You haven't addressed your ai usage either...

 

[Onk]

Sorry Onk, I disagree with you on this... Only a tiny % of the Sust 400 is a Prop ester... He'll be getting over 360mg (720mg per week) of the longer esters.
Pinning frequency should always be dictated by the prominent esters.

Having said that, it's blatantly obvious that the OP hasn't done any research - MegaTron is correct - Test is Test.
Sustanon isn't a great form of Test to use on cycle for obvious reasons - it has so many esters and variables.

My advice OP - if you haven't bought your gear yet - is to settle on either Enanthate or Cypionate and run this for the duration.
I don't see why you are changing your form of Test midway through your cycle. It makes no sense.

If it was to kickstart your cycle, you've already added D'Bol for that purpose.

BigBen

just re-read his OP and seems he's using sust 250...so prob
100 c
100 e
50 p

in which case it's just 1/5 of his test dosage

 

[bigben66]

Sorry i forgot to say sustanon 400 at 2 injections a week so 800mg/week

The OP appears to be confused aswell lol