advice please on first PH

[winningCS]

Hey guys, I was really considering running a test cycle this summer but due to my age everyone i have talked to says give it two more years to when i will be 24. So i am going to take the advice. But i am a very competative person and seeing my lifting buddies doing cycles and beating me in local comps pisses me off more than anything. So im looking at a doing a PH cycle. I have read several several threads saying h-drol as a starter cycle. i was just curious if you all agree in that h-drol is the best one to start out with or is their others that can be. I am very gyno prone i am assuming as i had gyno when i was younger so i am guessing it will come back quickly. i have adex already, and i can easily get nolva, clomid for post cycle therapy (pct). mainly looking at gaining a few pounds and increasing hardness. I have read as well that much of the weight you gain from the PH is going to be approx 80% of water which i guess in comparison to aas your never going to just gain muscle you will always loose some weight in entering post cycle therapy (pct) and after. So am i going out on a limb when i say 10lb and keeping 3-5lb when its all said and done is reachable? Any help is greatly appreciated. So i guess main question would be is h-drol what is best to start out with, if not what would be a good alternative with dosing. thanks

WINNING

 

[destined4gr8ness]

Hey guys, I was really considering running a test cycle this summer but due to my age everyone i have talked to says give it two more years to when i will be 24. So i am going to take the advice. But i am a very competative person and seeing my lifting buddies doing cycles and beating me in local comps pisses me off more than anything. So im looking at a doing a PH cycle. I have read several several threads saying h-drol as a starter cycle. i was just curious if you all agree in that h-drol is the best one to start out with or is their others that can be. I am very gyno prone i am assuming as i had gyno when i was younger so i am guessing it will come back quickly. i have adex already, and i can easily get nolva, clomid for post cycle therapy (pct). mainly looking at gaining a few pounds and increasing hardness. I have read as well that much of the weight you gain from the PH is going to be approx 80% of water which i guess in comparison to aas your never going to just gain muscle you will always loose some weight in entering post cycle therapy (pct) and after. So am i going out on a limb when i say 10lb and keeping 3-5lb when its all said and done is reachable? Any help is greatly appreciated. So i guess main question would be is h-drol what is best to start out with, if not what would be a good alternative with dosing. thanks

WINNING

honestly id say running an aas is safer than doing a ph..aas are proven medically and have been around for a long time. ph/ds are simply not, and people dont know the long term sides of using them. i know its hard to see your buddies lift more but you'll be laughing when a few years from now they cant get it up and you can

also from h-drol it wont be 80% water weight. it is a steroid that is pretty much either a bulker, recomp, or cutter but its all dependent on your diet and training. its easy to keep the gains if followed by a proper post cycle therapy (pct).

im 21 and ive been itching at doing a aas/ph cycle but it all seems to lead down a long road of constant use which no matter how mentally strong you are...happens.

im an ncaa athlete and will be running an igf-lr3/ostarine cycle starting may. i highly recommend you look into that. its a very good alternative and im happy i found it. igf-lr3 will help with joints, strength, and vascularity, along with increasing muscle cell number, while ostarine aids in strength and muscle gain. Im using it during my summer training while i cut from 215 to 195 for my season to avoid catabolism and maintain my strength...even increase it while i cut 20lbs. look into it..if you have and questions about it feel free to pm me..

 

[winningCS]

what sport do you play? im in the SEC.

why are you doing lr3 over 1?

 

[destined4gr8ness]

what sport do you play? im in the SEC.

why are you doing lr3 over 1?

I play lacrosse and hockey..

the only difference between lr3 and lr1 is the half-life as im aware. pretty much meaning that lr3 is active in your system faster so you will get better results.

the reason why im opting for igf is because of the fact that it multiplies the number of cells rather than the size itself. considering i put a lot of emphasis of my training in my legs igf will allow me to do my leg work outs 2-3 times a week and specifically target growth and cell multiplication there. also when i want to work on specific areas like chest all i need to do is inject in that desired muscle pwo.

i really think it benefits athletes the best. its promotes strength, repairing of joints/tendons, endurance, and vascularity. plus from my knowledge its out of your system a few days after and you can run it 30 days on 30 off..repeat. i plan on running the first week of may with ostarine, and then again mid july right to before start of school. i may even just run the igf during season if it helps with endurance as much as i hear some people say...

and dont take me for a pussy lacrosse or hockey player either please hahaha..im guessing you play football cause of the sec. im 215lbs and 9% bf with clean diet year round. summer i get to 195 and 4-5% bf but i do a lot of power lifting competitions and strength is my best asset so im using igf and ostarine to help compliment it without aas.

 

[07Lane40]

if youre an ncaa athlete i would stick to stuff that isnt tested for.

if you do any ph/ds you WILL test positive for steroids. why? be cause they ARE STEROIDS. i know when i was still playing if I had gotten caught i would have been kicked off the team immediately. do you want to risk that?

also, since PH's are steroids tey will shut you down, and can give you the same problems with your endocrine system as running other steroids. think about it...

i would go with something like what gr8ness said and do a sarms, preferably osta since as aan athlete you probably need to keep your eyesight tiptop. haha

but SARMS are pretty new.. so not all of the sides are known about, especially long term... kinda scary to think about there too...

whatever you do make sure you weigh all the pros and cons and dont just jump in for some quick gains. JMO

 

[Mr.Happy]

if youre an ncaa athlete i would stick to stuff that isnt tested for.

if you do any ph/ds you WILL test positive for steroids. why? be cause they ARE STEROIDS. i know when i was still playing if I had gotten caught i would have been kicked off the team immediately. do you want to risk that?

also, since PH's are steroids tey will shut you down, and can give you the same problems with your endocrine system as running other steroids. think about it...

i would go with something like what gr8ness said and do a sarms, preferably osta since as aan athlete you probably need to keep your eyesight tiptop. haha

but SARMS are pretty new.. so not all of the sides are known about, especially long term... kinda scary to think about there too...

whatever you do make sure you weigh all the pros and cons and dont just jump in for some quick gains. JMO

Look into the Osta

 

[winningCS]

ill look into the osta for sure. Do you know of any good literature on it that wouldnt be from the top 50 links on google that are all links to bodybuilding websites haha. looking kinda into the full on research of it if at all possible.

I have read in several places that some people are taking the igf orally? is that correct or is it strictly slin shots?

 

[destined4gr8ness]

ill look into the osta for sure. Do you know of any good literature on it that wouldnt be from the top 50 links on google that are all links to bodybuilding websites haha. looking kinda into the full on research of it if at all possible.

I have read in several places that some people are taking the igf orally? is that correct or is it strictly slin shots?

haha i hear you..hear are a few..

GTx. Ostarine
GTx Press Release

they are pretty much the same..one gets a little more in depth than the other. right now they are furthering research on ostarine. i have not been able to find anything past the phase II research.

i dont believe igf comes in oral...unless your buying from an igf-1 but thats not the same as the igf-lr3 at all. you will see the best results from the slin injection, and ive yet to hear anything else.

 

[Mr.Happy]

here ya go bro

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/chemical-study/595132-all-about-sarms.html

 

[destined4gr8ness]

^^^^^