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Indeed.
Anabolic Steroids Are never for teenagers!!?!?!? Anarchy
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Mrrippedzilla
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I think the OP has raised a serious issue regarding the lack of studies on the influence of AAS use on a developing human body compared to a fully developed one. I understand why their is a lack of a studies (testing on teenagers would be a big no no), but it would be interesting to know the influence of AAS on the fluctuating hormones that naturally occur at that age.
I'm below the average age of this forum but here's my 2 cents for what its worth.
I think most sensible forums (like this) discourage teenagers from AAS use because, as has been previously stated, it is highly unlikely that they have the foundations (nutrition and training) in place to benefit from its use. If someone doesn't have the patience to put in place the proper nutrition & training to programme to hit their goals, why should we assume they would not abuse AAS?
Personally, I don't believe in an age limit on AAS. If someone has a good nutrition & training programme for their goals, have shown the ability to stick to a programme consistently (without a "more is better" approach - far too common in our community) & know how to research the benefits/risks associated with many supplements (not just AAS) then they are welcome to use AAS.
However, most teenagers are not patient. Most teenagers are not consistent. Most teenagers do not meet the guideline I set above.
The fact that most teenagers idolize Zyzz (who died aged 22 btw) highlights why they shouldn't be encourage on forums to dive into AAS use.
I'm below the average age of this forum but here's my 2 cents for what its worth.
I think most sensible forums (like this) discourage teenagers from AAS use because, as has been previously stated, it is highly unlikely that they have the foundations (nutrition and training) in place to benefit from its use. If someone doesn't have the patience to put in place the proper nutrition & training to programme to hit their goals, why should we assume they would not abuse AAS?
Personally, I don't believe in an age limit on AAS. If someone has a good nutrition & training programme for their goals, have shown the ability to stick to a programme consistently (without a "more is better" approach - far too common in our community) & know how to research the benefits/risks associated with many supplements (not just AAS) then they are welcome to use AAS.
However, most teenagers are not patient. Most teenagers are not consistent. Most teenagers do not meet the guideline I set above.
The fact that most teenagers idolize Zyzz (who died aged 22 btw) highlights why they shouldn't be encourage on forums to dive into AAS use.
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illumin4tion
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I would have expected this to be a controversial topic. I'm not encouraging teens to go using substances because they simply do not need them, are more likely to abuse them and don't know what a PCT and an AI are until halfway through their cycle. It seemed to work for Aleksey Lesukov though.
old&stacked
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Impressive size stared around 17-18 yrs of age. Yet apparently thus far, at the level he is at, he has had a hard time getting on stage in the correct shape to be in at that level. 1st clue as to the difference between men and children.
What do you expect to accomplish by insulting a forum member let alone a moderator? The conversation was going fine until you decided to take cheap shots and make ad hominem attacks. That's a stupid move. I believe in the same nutrition principles you do from what I've seen yet 3J has his own different ideas. You and I know that there are different ways of doing things than his particular method but you're a fool if you don't think it means his isn't effective. He has taken more people to gold medals in the sport than you, has changed more lives, helped more people. Before you go insult him based on the fact that he's a nutritionist for a living why don't you research some of the results his clients have had. Regardless of what you believe in regards to nutrition the before and afters speak for themselves.
3J and I don't share the same views all the time either. He hates DCA/IIFYM, IF, etc and avoids them like the plague. Yet I've earned his respect bc we talk like fucking adults not this bullshit you are writing now. He let me write an article on DCA/IIFYM and he made it a sticky for fuck's sake. Anyone that knows 3J knows how he despises those philosophies yet he was a fucking man and put his personal opinions aside and saw some of the evidence I had backing me up. That is what a man does; he doesn't act like a kid. I had thoroughly enjoyed the way this convo was going up until this point. You had challenged people to voice the reasons for their beliefs and if nothing else it could have helped us reevaluate or find out something new, you're educated, you use science, etc but you fucked up bad by taking the childish way out bro.
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meatmonkey
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OneBadMax
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I guess you know all bro! Just make this thread a sticky and stick it at the very top. It'll be easier to avoid from now on.
Have a nice day.
OneBadMax
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LOL, where in this thread have I made a point to refute???? Quote it for me.
It's never a good idea to present an agruement the way the OP did. He's clearly young and still has a lot to learn. Post up studies supporting your position and let the results speak for you. Don't come in acting like Gods gift to steroidology.
old&stacked
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We will sit here and wait for YOU to post data supporting the use of steroids by teens. Apparently you must have irrefutable data and studies showing how possitively steroids effect teenagers and how long term use of AAS started early in life will have zero effects on a persons body as they age.
What's idiotic and moronic is the childish insults hurled at a member/moderator. That crap is uncalled for. I agree the thread HAD potential but now it's been wasted
OneBadMax
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This thread was going nowhere, OP carried the wrong attitude from the beginning. It's a shame too.
You know what? This topic doesn't even deserve any attention at all. Bottom line, u got to be 18 or older to even sign up here or any other forum I've seen. Why the fuck would we want to do research on kids using gear when really nobody gives a shit? If I kid wants to use gear, whatever. That's his/her parents responsibility. After all their not even responsible for their own decisions let alone opinions or facts from a steroid forum.
Personally I had no problem with his attitude up until he made attacks on my friend 3J. Yea he might have rubbed ppl the wrong way but at least it was civil. Now the same can't be said unfortunately.
Edit* I also think the thread was a good idea so we can defend our stance on age and AAS. I'm inclined to side with RippedZilla on the issue, training and diet consistency , etc is more important than solely relying on age since many 30 and 40 year olds aren't ready to use AAS either. Either way it was a different thread than the usual
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Black Beard
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My troll detector is going off 
3J
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dont worry dre he is gone... people like that on this forum are worthless to our members..
dre makes a great point.. we dont see eye to eye.. yet we agree on many other things in nutrition.. do it right or be banned.. simple as that! i enjoyed taking out the trash this morning
dre makes a great point.. we dont see eye to eye.. yet we agree on many other things in nutrition.. do it right or be banned.. simple as that! i enjoyed taking out the trash this morning
Yes. You're the guy that says kids should be able to use steroids bc "your grandfather was married and out the house by 18". If you can't see the idiocy in that statement or justification than you're beyond help.
dont worry dre he is gone... people like that on this forum are worthless to our members..
dre makes a great point.. we dont see eye to eye.. yet we agree on many other things in nutrition.. do it right or be banned.. simple as that! i enjoyed taking out the trash this morning
I kinda wished I could have had him banned for you all wrapped up with a ribbon for when you logged in but oh well
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