Anavar/Dbol (Got no alternatives) cycle.. Please help with cardio safety & HCG doubts

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Anavar/Dbol (Got no alternatives/livin w parents) cycle.. heart safety & HCG doubts

Respected Leaders, Readers & Fellow Athletes
BACKGROUND
I ran a Var Only Cycle for my First cycle. Have mixed thoughts about it. kept the dose low. Ran it for 7 weeks at 40mgs ed spread through the day. It did what i wanted... gave me a slight strength and lean mass increase (gained 2kgs). Lost some Fat though. All i really need to get my squat up to 190kgs. The only side effect i had was a disinterest in gold-diggers after week 5.... so low sex drive i guess (lol, normally id hit that and think about the problems later). Love the mind set it puts me in.. slight aggression. Should have used a proper PCT. Just used Animal stack instead.. wasnt much help in getting sex drive back or maintaining gains. strength decrease after stopping usage but not by much. squat came down to 170kgs. Still higher than before my cycle. Strength is all i really retained from the cycle after 7 months.

Been clean for 7 months now and training natty. Planning another oral only cycle. The Reason why im doing orals only is because I live with my family and can't really change that cause i run the fam business now. So dont really have a proper place to refrigerate the injectables or hide all the injection supplies (syringes, needles, cotton) & dont want anyone walking in on me with a needles in my shoulder and screaming like im a heroine junkie. Pills are easier to use / hide. So Please dont bash me for doing orals only. Id Myself go for the injectables if i could. Done enough research to know that. All i need is info to help me do this risky cycle in the safest way possible.

TO THE REAL INFO
Im Almost 23 yo
not lean but not obese. Id say 15 - 17% BF ... the dude in the avatar is my doppelganger. lol
been lifting for almost 6 years..
weigh 87 kilos.. thats 192 pounds for my american friends
im 5'8"
Endo-meso mixture of bodytype.
Deadlift 170kg
Squat 180kg
Bench 110kg
try to consume 200 gms of protein on most days and practice carb cycling.
lift in the 8-10 and 4-6 range during most workouts and love performing one rep maxes.
i don't drink alcohol but i do smoke weed everyday.. for mood, appetite and sleep.

Im planning a 7 week cycle Like this:
ANAVAR 60 mg ED
DBOL 30 mg ED
Nolva at hand.. might use 50 mg a day if gyno is a prob.
Liv 52... unlimited amounts .. unsure about the dose.. 4 pills a day?
Omega 3 capsules for heart.. 4gm day.
What else can you suggest for Cholesterol control? please give me the salt name if its a pharma-med as i live in india and brand names change from country to country.
Using dbol and var for the anbolic-androgenic synergy provided when stacked.

ALSO, WILL CLOMID BE ENOUGH FOR PCT? I was going through the PCT section in Llewyns Anabolics book and it suggested that Only Hcg REALLY work for test recovery.. clomid/tamoxi just help the process a lil and are mainly for gyno.. a lot of people disagree with this on these forums. not really sure.. Dont wanna use HCG if possible to get my test levels back. Im hoping this short oral cycle wont cause testicular atrophy. Please correct me if im wrong. Any Help / Input will be greatly appriciated and respected so kindly please dont leave me hangin. Specially about the cholesterol control and PCT requirement. I wanna keep most of my gains and avoid any long-term health complications. Thanking you all in-advance.
"Sammy Lonewolf"

 

[Roush]

If you CAN'T do injectables, period.. Then take HCG off the list, cause that is an injectable.

I do not recommend what your doing -- But if your doing it anyways

- running two Orals at once is gonna be harsh on your liver,, not recommended,, if you do it at least run real liver support , NAC, TUDCA, UDCA

- being your F'ing your liver up,with two Orals anyhow-- you might as well get some reward out of the risk you are taking.. Up your VAR to 70 mg a day and Dbol to 50 mg ed.. Get some taurine and supplement with it 2 grams a day cause your pumps are gonna be intense and you'll get muscle cramps

- you need to run an AI,, arimidex .25 mg eod to start and go from there

- pct , clomid and nolvadex would be best

- monitor your blood pressure daily , if it spikes you have issues


Prepare to loose most your gains though being testosterone will drop down to zero for the duration of your cycle and pct (that's why exogenous test is recommended,, as well as preserving your health)

 

[bustinass]

injectables are always far better and more safe so think about this

and anavar and dbol arent the best combo, i would say go with winny and anavar IF you want to do orals combo BUT i would prefer you go with injects and 1 oral max to round it all off

 

[tbonexl]

I can't believe your recommending advice for an oral cycle... Wtf is wrong with you guy??? Op its plain and simple. Oral cycles are a no go for men. Your reasoning is just piss poor validation. The only injectable to be refrigerated is hcg. If your still concerned with your parents then grow up! I'm sure them finding pills is no better! So get your head all the way out of your ass and stop the dumb shit already! READ THIS LINK!

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a.../675497-ology-frequently-asked-questions.html

 

[Roush]

I can't believe your recommending advice for an oral cycle... Wtf is wrong with you guy??? Op its plain and simple. Oral cycles are a no go for men. Your reasoning is just piss poor validation. The only injectable to be refrigerated is hcg. If your still concerned with your parents then grow up! I'm sure them finding pills is no better! So get your head all the way out of your ass and stop the dumb shit already! READ THIS LINK!

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a.../675497-ology-frequently-asked-questions.html

I'm tired of all the fucking baby sitters around here.. dudes have to be 18 to join this site.. at that age your old enough to die for your country therefore your old enough to do what ever the fuck you want with you life and your body.. INCLUDING Oral only cycles. shit, wtf, guys have been doing oral only cycles for 50 years,, so the fuck what. DO I recommend them, NO,, period,, NO.. but guys are going to do them anyway, no matter what some key board steroid warrior says on a god damn forum.

Did I recommend advice ? no,, that does not even make sense, , you GIVE advice, not recommend advice. I stated specifically that I do NOT recommend what op was doing,, I then went on to give advice to someone who was going to do what they wanted to do anyhow..

And by neg reping me and saying "I should know better"-- I do know better,,, thats why I did NOT recommend an oral only cycle fuck head -- learn how to fucking help a dude out and give advice already .. I've not seen it once from you Tbone.

4620 of your 4630 posts are just telling dudes they are wrong and posting a link you've probably never read through yourself .. next time you do that, and don't even bother to try and help a guy out.. your neg repped (not that that fucking matters lol).


Note: and OP did not appear to be one of those punk as kids or another troll posting another dbol only cyle.. so I gave him some advice and told him I did not recommend what he was doing.. so fine, call me out on helping a guy out.. keep posting your link,, I'm sure hundreds of guys have appreciated all your help

 

[tbonexl]

I'm tired of all the fucking baby sitters around here.. dudes have to be 18 to join this site.. at that age your old enough to die for your country therefore your old enough to do what ever the fuck you want with you life and your body.. INCLUDING Oral only cycles. shit, wtf, guys have been doing oral only cycles for 50 years,, so the fuck what. DO I recommend them, NO,, period,, NO.. but guys are going to do them anyway, no matter what some key board steroid warrior says on a god damn forum.

Did I recommend advice ? no,, that does not even make sense, , you GIVE advice, not recommend advice. I stated specifically that I do NOT recommend what op was doing,, I then went on to give advice to someone who was going to do what they wanted to do anyhow..

And by neg reping me and saying "I should know better"-- I do know better,,, thats why I did NOT recommend an oral only cycle fuck head -- learn how to fucking help a dude out and give advice already .. I've not seen it once from you Tbone.

4620 of your 4630 posts are just telling dudes they are wrong and posting a link you've probably never read through yourself .. next time you do that, and don't even bother to try and help a guy out.. your neg repped (not that that fucking matters lol).


Note: and OP did not appear to be one of those punk as kids or another troll posting another dbol only cyle.. so I gave him some advice and told him I did not recommend what he was doing.. so fine, call me out on helping a guy out.. keep posting your link,, I'm sure hundreds of guys have appreciated all your help

Your the one always posting outlandish shit bud. Think about it...

 

[JimiThing]

Lets keep the thread on topic.
Gentleman if you wish to continue this do so via PM.
Thank You.
Much Respect,
Jimi

 

[JimiThing]

OP just because you are going to do something anyway doesnt incline me to offer advice on something I do not believe in or think is a wise decision.
Therefore my advice is exactly what you do not want to hear-do not do this. In fact at 23 dont do anything IMO for 2 more years. Get yourself on point. You said your self you are carrying extra bodyfat etc. Deal with this stuff naturally. Get diet ,training and rest on point now. For the next 2 years optimize yourself. Get yourself ready. Learn your body diet and training wise. Then , at 25, put the awesome foundation you have built to good use and consider doing a proper first cycle.
Best of Luck.
Jimi

 

[Roush]

Your the one always posting outlandish shit bud. Think about it...

the OP is and has ALREADY ran oral only cycle -- its obvious he is doing it again. . so how is giving him advice for the benefit of his health outlandish-- !?
damn dude,, I'm just trying to help a guy out. telling him about liver support, controlling his estrogen, and monitoring his blood pressure.

you go ahead and give him no advice at all -- you call him a dumb shit that needs to grow up. great advice bro. he is gonna do the oral only cycle-- he fucks his liver up, his blood pressure, whatever,, that's on you for not helping a guy out AT ALL with his health and giving him at least a little help on the basics.

your in the wrong on this one . Just cause you did not have guys online to ask basic questions when you were younger does not mean these young guys now are wrong to ask.

 

[tbonexl]

the OP is and has ALREADY ran oral only cycle -- its obvious he is doing it again. . so how is giving him advice for the benefit of his health outlandish-- !?
damn dude,, I'm just trying to help a guy out. telling him about liver support, controlling his estrogen, and monitoring his blood pressure.

you go ahead and give him no advice at all -- you call him a dumb shit that needs to grow up. great advice bro. he is gonna do the oral only cycle-- he fucks his liver up, his blood pressure, whatever,, that's on you for not helping a guy out AT ALL with his health and giving him at least a little help on the basics.

your in the wrong on this one . Just cause you did not have guys online to ask basic questions when you were younger does not mean these young guys now are wrong to ask.

I thought jimi said to cool it...

 

[Roush]

I thought jimi said to cool it...

I'm done-- Now it's just me and the OP ,, I'm talking to him NOT you.

OP - take Jimi's advice -- Don't take Tbones advice and move outta the house being you help run your family's business,, I think he was just being a dick to you, but that's just my opinion. You can prob just go ahead and put him on your ignore list, once you read the "stickies for beginners"

I don't recommend you run that cycle -- however, if you choose to do something stupid and run it,, then at least consider liver support, an AI and the things I mentioned to help with your health .