BULKING- Better to eat healthy but less or ALOT of anything?

[numba1scrapper]

Just curious, trying to follow some kind of nutrition plan, but it's a little hard with my schedule. What do you guys think will bring better results?

stats -
21yr old
160 pounds
cycle - dbol 40mg, test E 500mg per week

Option 1 - Eat very healthy (like i've been doing) 2 protein/weight gain shakes per day (1,200 cals) besides that just chicken, steak, pork, wheat bread, veggies, fruit and shit like that.

Now, the only problem with option 1 is I dont have lots of time at all to cook so the 5,000 calories im trying to aim for is more like 3500 WITH the two shakes. I've been eating VERY healthy for like..2 YEAARS now and im just not seeing the results I want. im 160 now and want to get in the 180-185 range

Option 2 - 3 minute tv dinners (1100 calories, 50 grams protein) mcdonalds, chinese food and other high calorie and protein..junk food lol

Normaly I would say this isnt a great way to go, but at least this way I would know for a FACT that im hitting 5,000 calories and could probably hit 6,000 a day.

Goal is to BULK, but still maintain a good look.

 

[Massive123]

If you're only 160lbs I say eat eerything in sight- healthy & unhealthy.

Don't be afraid of BigMacs & DoubleCheese Burgers with milkshakes. You'll pack on lbs quickly. You're eating too healthy if you wanna bulk

 

[numba1scrapper]

If you're only 160lbs I say eat eerything in sight- healthy & unhealthy.

Don't be afraid of BigMacs & DoubleCheese Burgers with milkshakes. You'll pack on lbs quickly. You're eating too healthy if you wanna bulk

thanks bro.. btw, ive been meaning to tell you your profile pic is funny as shit lol

 

[Massive123]

Thanks broski. Nothing like Rachel Roxxx sucking off a vial of Tren haha. Gives new meaning to the term Tren Dick

 

[3J]

your 160lbs id say u have no reason to be doing gear in the first place!!!!!!

 

[3J]

and the last thing u need is 5000 calories.. im 275lbs and i eat 4500 calories to bulk.. where is this coming from??

 

[numba1scrapper]

your 160lbs id say u have no reason to be doing gear in the first place!!!!!!

wtf?? lol, becuase of my WEIGHT your telling me not to do aas? uummm, ookkk then. BECAAUSE of my weight im using them. I would be conservative saying that i've been eating a HEALTHY 3,000 calorie diet for the last yr and a half at leaastt with almost ZERO gains. I see a different look, but no weight gain. You can see in the picture forum some pics of me as of now. I've heard your supposed to eat 25 calories per pound and since I want to be in the 185 area I wanted to start eating as if I was that weight already which would bring me around 5,000.... It really doesnt matter though becuase theres still no gains!! I think im gonna take the advice on here and just pig the fuck out for a few months and see how that goes. Havent had any mcdonalds or chinese food in FOREVER!!

 

[chevyon6s]

jamy know his shit from what ive read him post..........

im kinda in the same boat you are......worked out a while..get results but just not putting too much weight on...

ive been eating oatmeal in the morn with peanut butter in it...take this with me to work to eat through out the day...couple pb&j's with sugar free jelly, couple lunch meat sandwich's..two cans of tuna..can of pre cooked chicken( the big 6 serving can) and some fruit..two or three protein shakes a day...and eat either chicken or steak with brown rice for dinner..

somedays i eat all i bring..sometimes im not really feeling the tuna or chicken so i get subway..and sometimes after i work out in the morn i hit up mcdonalds for a chicken or sausage biscuit meal..with the occasional cheat meal here and there

after two weeks on test e only cycle 500mg week...ive put on around 8 pounds and feel great..i work out 5/6 days a week hard though..

so yeah throw some mcdonalds in there every now and then and just eat as much as u can... thats what i tried and its working good from me so far.....

hope this helps..kinda of a newbie to this also still

 

[numba1scrapper]

jamy know his shit from what ive read him post..........

im kinda in the same boat you are......worked out a while..get results but just not putting too much weight on...

ive been eating oatmeal in the morn with peanut butter in it...take this with me to work to eat through out the day...couple pb&j's with sugar free jelly, couple lunch meat sandwich's..two cans of tuna..can of pre cooked chicken( the big 6 serving can) and some fruit..two or three protein shakes a day...and eat either chicken or steak with brown rice for dinner..

somedays i eat all i bring..sometimes im not really feeling the tuna or chicken so i get subway..and sometimes after i work out in the morn i hit up mcdonalds for a chicken or sausage biscuit meal..with the occasional cheat meal here and there

after two weeks on test e only cycle 500mg week...ive put on around 8 pounds and feel great..i work out 5/6 days a week hard though..

so yeah throw some mcdonalds in there every now and then and just eat as much as u can... thats what i tried and its working good from me so far.....

hope this helps..kinda of a newbie to this also still

I've been reading his posts as well and I agree that he is very knowledgeable however to tell someone they shouldnt take steroids becuase of there weight? lol wtf is that? What does that have to do with anything at all? My age would be a reason, the time I dedicate to training would be a reason, but not my weight? lol... I take AAS becaauuseee im 160 pounds lol. I eat right and I train right and still wont gain.. Becuase of this I use AAS. If I was 200lbs natural I would be looking rediculous right now.

 

[chevyon6s]

yeh i was told the same thing...two weeks ago i was 162..now im 170..cant wait till it kicks in...just eat what u do and throw a couple cheat meals in there like i am and it should help you out....it sure seems to be working for me so far......

 

[3J]

wtf?? lol, becuase of my WEIGHT your telling me not to do aas? uummm, ookkk then. BECAAUSE of my weight im using them. I would be conservative saying that i've been eating a HEALTHY 3,000 calorie diet for the last yr and a half at leaastt with almost ZERO gains. I see a different look, but no weight gain. You can see in the picture forum some pics of me as of now. I've heard your supposed to eat 25 calories per pound and since I want to be in the 185 area I wanted to start eating as if I was that weight already which would bring me around 5,000.... It really doesnt matter though becuase theres still no gains!! I think im gonna take the advice on here and just pig the fuck out for a few months and see how that goes. Havent had any mcdonalds or chinese food in FOREVER!!

let me break it down for you tough guy..

your 160lbs.. and your supposedly a "hard gainer" lovely... iv heard that alot.. its all bs.. ur not eating right.. your not eating enough.. or your not checking up your macros correctly.. you'd have to post up a diet


so you go ahead and do gear.. and u put on lets say 20lbs of lean muscle (i wish that happened every time for everyone) after the bloat..

it takes 70 calories to maintain 1lb of muscle daily, without use..

so now ur body needs another 1400 calories to maintain.

since u CANT EVEN maintain and gain off steroids, wtf makes u think u can hold on to those gains???


steroids are not magic.. they wont get you big and keep you big


your diet will get you big and keep you big..


do yourself a favor.. post up a diet.. let me critique it.....

at the least, if your not gonna listen to me and still do the gear, you'll diet will be at an optimal point...

but with ur current stats... running gear is rediculous.. PEROID...

not trying to flame.. if anything im doing you a favor...

u say you eat 3000 calories clean... whats clean? whats your meal plan? what do you eat when?

get in detail....

as for you BULK.. a dirty bulk is the stupidest thing u can do.. make every calorie count in the right way...

 

[o3clipsegts]

let me break it down for you tough guy..

your 160lbs.. and your supposedly a "hard gainer" lovely... iv heard that alot.. its all bs.. ur not eating right.. your not eating enough.. or your not checking up your macros correctly.. you'd have to post up a diet


so you go ahead and do gear.. and u put on lets say 20lbs of lean muscle (i wish that happened every time for everyone) after the bloat..

it takes 70 calories to maintain 1lb of muscle daily, without use..

so now ur body needs another 1400 calories to maintain.

since u CANT EVEN maintain and gain off steroids, wtf makes u think u can hold on to those gains???


steroids are not magic.. they wont get you big and keep you big


your diet will get you big and keep you big..


do yourself a favor.. post up a diet.. let me critique it.....

at the least, if your not gonna listen to me and still do the gear, you'll diet will be at an optimal point...

but with ur current stats... running gear is rediculous.. PEROID...

not trying to flame.. if anything im doing you a favor...

u say you eat 3000 calories clean... whats clean? whats your meal plan? what do you eat when?

get in detail....

as for you BULK.. a dirty bulk is the stupidest thing u can do.. make every calorie count in the right way...

Very well said.

 

[numba1scrapper]

let me break it down for you tough guy..

your 160lbs.. and your supposedly a "hard gainer" lovely... iv heard that alot.. its all bs.. ur not eating right.. your not eating enough.. or your not checking up your macros correctly.. you'd have to post up a diet


so you go ahead and do gear.. and u put on lets say 20lbs of lean muscle (i wish that happened every time for everyone) after the bloat..

it takes 70 calories to maintain 1lb of muscle daily, without use..

so now ur body needs another 1400 calories to maintain.

since u CANT EVEN maintain and gain off steroids, wtf makes u think u can hold on to those gains???


steroids are not magic.. they wont get you big and keep you big


your diet will get you big and keep you big..


do yourself a favor.. post up a diet.. let me critique it.....

at the least, if your not gonna listen to me and still do the gear, you'll diet will be at an optimal point...

but with ur current stats... running gear is rediculous.. PEROID...

not trying to flame.. if anything im doing you a favor...

u say you eat 3000 calories clean... whats clean? whats your meal plan? what do you eat when?

get in detail....

as for you BULK.. a dirty bulk is the stupidest thing u can do.. make every calorie count in the right way...

Not trying to be "tough" at all lol. Once I gain a good 20lbs then ill probably act tough lol. anyway I honestly have no exact meal plan, but I will tell you I eat about 4 times a day plus 2 Shakes. Shakes are within 20 minutes of waking up in the morning and within 30 minutes of going to sleep. I've heard besides right after a workout these are the best times to take them. The gainer/protein I take is 1,250 calories and 62 grams of protein.

Ill wake up take a shake. Honestly right after a shake ill be really full so ill shower, get dressed and ready for the day then have something like oatmeal with whole milk, 2-3 scrambled eggs on 2 peices of wheat or multigrain bread, shredded mini wheat cereal or honey bunches of oats cereal. I dont have a plan on what I eat on which days, but as for morning food thats my choices.


my first snack will be like penut butter and jelly, nutrigrain bars, granola bars, some penuts or sunflower seeds, string cheese, fruit and or carrot sticks. The worst thing ill eat would be like whole grain goldfish or pretzels

Lunch I'll most likely eat some kind of meat and just throw it in my little foreman grill. 90% of the time it will be chicken or steak so chicken or steak. Won't lie to you, lots of the time i'll eat JUST the meat alone for lunch, but ill eat ALOT of it. Trust me I TRY and eat, I eat food as if it were a supliment, even when im full I try to keep on stuffing.


After lunch I might have a snack I might not. If I do it would most likely did it wouldnt be something I would make cuz im busy mid day. Either granola bars or string cheese. Maybe the wholegrain goldfish.



Dinner choices include - Pasta, steak, chicken, those mixed veggie bags, eggs, wheat bread, and some others.


The morning is always 100%, the dinner is always 100% Sometimes I miss the snacks or lunch. Never both.


Honestly the reason I go with gear is becuase for ME it seems that it IS magic. I did my first cycle BEFOREEE I knew of this forum or any forums, BEFOREEE I was a researchaholic and pretty much before I knew shit. My gains off my first cycle were fucking rediculous and I maintained the same look since. Im 21 now and im just not getting anywhere with this diet. Im gonna post 3 pics. The first pic you can obviously see I was young as shit but this is my natural build. The second pic was at 19-20?right before my first cycle. I've got clothes so you can see much, but I KNOW you can see those 8 inch biceps lol. You think 160 is pussy weight!!?!?!?!? Dude, look at me in those fucking pics!! The last pic is me now at 160lbs. Obviously I wanna get MUCH bigger, but I think theres a noticable difference. I give 75% of the credit to the use of steroids. But anyways yea thats my story and I don't want you to think im not grateful of the info your giving me, if it wasnt for this site man would I be fucked lol.. I'd have bigger tits then pam anderson, DEF have an infection from injecting, prolly wouldnt be able to get my dick hard and alot more.

 

[scotimusprime]

and the last thing u need is 5000 calories.. im 275lbs and i eat 4500 calories to bulk.. where is this coming from??

for some reason these guys all wanna do 5-6000 calories on cycle. im having this debate in the general section with some bros

 

[jimbo79]

MMMM,salsa, cottage cheese! works wonders! PROTEIN BUILDS MUCSLES! add it and see. 110 cals and 22gs of protein with a half cup. Put it in shakes, cereal, meals, mix with yougurt, If ur a salsa fan you can use it to mask many bland flavors. But that's jus me.

 

[OLYMPIAN]

Dude, those before pictures look like you never lifted a weight a day in yo lyfe!

Too many people want it NOW without the dedication and hard work.

I was 160 my freshman year in highschool. By the time I graduated, I was a lean ripped 215 all AAS free. Just hard ass work and lots of eating.

Im 36 now and just started using gear a few months ago.

As scrawny as you started out, you could eaisily have achived 160 or 180 lbs with just some good ol fashioned ball busting work and tons of food.

That is what he is trying to impression on you. You made gear the "magic" answer when it didnt have to be. At least not yet....

 

[numba1scrapper]

Dude, those before pictures look like you never lifted a weight a day in yo lyfe!

Too many people want it NOW without the dedication and hard work.

I was 160 my freshman year in highschool. By the time I graduated, I was a lean ripped 215 all AAS free. Just hard ass work and lots of eating.

Im 36 now and just started using gear a few months ago.

As scrawny as you started out, you could eaisily have achived 160 or 180 lbs with just some good ol fashioned ball busting work and tons of food.

That is what he is trying to impression on you. You made gear the "magic" answer when it didnt have to be. At least not yet....

Bro, maybe not the first pic, but that second pic was me going to the gym 5 days a week. I may have even been guilty of OVERT RAINING back then. I did NOT gain! You telling me I didnt look like I lifted a weight in my life is the reason I take steroids! lol. Whether you WANTED to agree with me or not you just did.

 

[Miss Muscle]

21 years old.....you don't need steroids AT ALL. It's a waste. You're metabolism is still probably as fast as hell hence it's harder to put on weight and steroids aren't going to change that. Keep natty till you stop growing.

 

[swizzoled]

Dude go throw down a couple double whoppers ...There is no way 160lb is your genetic limit..By the looks of your pic you look like you're trying to stay lean..You can't gain muscle eating the way you do..
Go eat some high calorie food..And when a Vet trys to give you info you listen

 

[OLYMPIAN]

Bro, maybe not the first pic, but that second pic was me going to the gym 5 days a week. I may have even been guilty of OVERT RAINING back then. I did NOT gain! You telling me I didnt look like I lifted a weight in my life is the reason I take steroids! lol. Whether you WANTED to agree with me or not you just did.

And overtraining is a good thing????

Training 5 days a week doing what??? What was your diet during that timeframe?? Recouperation???

Basically you didnt know what the fuck you were doing....

If you were overtraining you needed to reduce your training volume (2-3 days a week), up your intensity and weight, increase your eating/calories, reduce your cardio and get plenty of rest. You would have grown like a weed. Are you seriously trying to school me on this shit???

Im still learning about AAS, but I'll learn your ass something firece about training and gaining AAS free. Believe that....