Clomid = anti-gyno too?

[Anadrol]

I've been reading and reading, believe me. But I can't get a confirmation that Clomid is an anti-gyno? And if one takes Clomid, one won't have to take nolva, right?
My biggest fear of sides is gyno, so I'd really like to get an answer on this one..
Thanks.

 

[GymLift]

Clomid might help gyno, but it isn't nearly as effective against it as Nolva. If gyno is a huge fear of yours, then you definitely need to pick up some Nolva.

...And don't expect the SERMs (Nolvadex, Clomid) to help you out with prolactin induced gyno. However, since your first cycle should be testosterone only (I assume it is your first), this isn't a problem.

 

[Anadrol]

Not sure I understood the last; Isn't gyno a problem with my first cycle on test.?
What if run d-bol on my first? I know I should run test. but still..

 

[jynx]

Dont run dbol without any kind of test. What mranak was saying is certain compounds such as deca and tren cannot be stopped by nolva. Most people respond well to high doses of b6(around 5 to 6g daily).

 

[Bruce Banner]

...And don't expect the SERMs (Nolvadex, Clomid) to help you out with prolactin induced gyno. However, since your first cycle should be testosterone only (I assume it is your first), this isn't a problem.

Adressing estrogen is the first thing to do IMO when gyno sings appear.

I don't think prolactin is the problem for most people, it's rather the fact that Deca and Tren binds to the progesteron receptor.

Non aromatazing steroids have never shown to rize prolactin, but estrogen has.

/Bruce

 

[Bruce Banner]

What can you take to stop gyno from prolactin??

First of you should stop taking steroids if gyno appears, thets the first thing to do.

Then I would jump on the Nolvadex. High prolactin levels is often a result of high estrgoen levels and Nolvadex can be used to inhibit it.

/Bruce

 

[GymLift]

Non aromatazing steroids have never shown to rize prolactin, but estrogen has.

I'm not trying to argue, but I ask this question sincerely. If progestins do not raise prolactin, then how do we explain the fact that some guys will lactate after taking these steroids that are progestins and only find relief through B6, Bromo or Destinex but not Nolvadex?

I understand that progestins have been shown to raise estrogens. I'm not disputing that. But elevated estradiol itself doesn't typically bring lactation. For example, when solely using an aromatazing steroid such as testosterone, lactation isn't a problem and Nolvadex will most often near always help.

 

[Bruce Banner]

I'm not trying to argue, but I ask this question sincerely. If progestins do not raise prolactin, then how do we explain the fact that some guys will lactate after taking these steroids that are progestins and only find relief through B6, Bromo or Destinex but not Nolvadex?

I understand that progestins have been shown to raise estrogens. I'm not disputing that. But elevated estradiol itself doesn't typically bring lactation. For example, when solely using an aromatazing steroid such as testosterone, lactation isn't a problem and Nolvadex will most often near always help.

I don't know the exact reason.

But i do know that when I started lactating using tren and test bromo dit not do shit. Nolvadex did help however.

But how many have done trenbolone ONLY cycles and got gyno? And if thats the case it could be from low DHT+T/E values, not prolactin. I think there is a big difference between prolactin and a progestin.

Several studies show that prolactin only is a concern with presens of high estrogen values.

I do not have all the answers, but i do know then someone says "Nolvadex is not going to do shit with prolacting induced gyno", that's wrong in some cases.

/Bruce

 

[GymLift]

Likewise, I don't want to give people the impression that they should depend on Nolvadex for gyno from steroids that have progestin activity.

Should somebody start taking Nolvadex immediately at the first sign on gyno? Absolutely.

No doubt I would love to see some labs from these guys that are lactating, especially those that haven't found help from a SERM or an AI.

...but i do know then someone says "Nolvadex is not going to do shit with prolacting induced gyno", that's wrong in some cases.

That is true; I agree.

 

[johnnybbad]

There is no credible documentation in the literature that suggests progesterone causes gyno, but thousands of studies pointing the finger at estrogen. Progesterone aggrivates estrogen mediated side effects.

 

[GymLift]

Put simply, the studies are lacking for steroid users.