Cutting on Test...

Nah. The water weight that you accumulate during the cycle will subside once the cycle is over.

If you wanna fight water retention naturally, cut back on sodium and up the water intake.
 
Reason I'm asking is because I read this post (quoted below) over at Elite and since I'm using test without liquidex and trying to cut, this got me thinking that maybe I should just forget about cutting and go back to bulking.

Big_Nims said:
I was doing 500mg of eth every week and my bloat came on big time in week two. Every one is different, some people wont bloat at those dosages, and some will. Get some anti e's just in case it starts to happen. No, you wont really be able to lose fat while your bloated. Bloating signals amoritization, aromitization signals high levels of estrogen in your system, high levels of estrogen= fat storage. Now if your diet is on point and you do some cardio, you may be able to gain muscle, and keep your bodyfat level the same, or even lower it a bit, but I wouldnt count on it, but then again everybody is different. Keep your anit e's on hand just in case you need them.
 
If you are worried about the bloat I would go with some test prop. Most people notice that this ester results in less bloat compared to the others.
 
The Almighty said:
If you are worried about the bloat I would go with some test prop. Most people notice that this ester results in less bloat compared to the others.

I'm not worried about bloat at all. I just don't want to waste my gear on a cutting cycle if I won't beable to lose fat because of the bloat.
 
The bloat isnt a problem, the only thing I would worry about is that sometimes it causes people to store estrogen related body fat, thats one of the reasons people use anti-e's
 
Depends on the person really. As needsize will attest to, when I use Test, even at 500mg/wk, I will carry more water then a camel. So when I am cutting, I need some kind of anti-e or else whatever body fat I do shed will still not be that noticable because of the water film surrounding my body.
 
I'm about to do 50mg ED of Tren and 75mg ED of Test for 8 weeks.

I got plenty of Nolva on hand, do you people think it will be as good as Arimidex for an anti-e during cycle at 10-15mg ED?
 
jakeqqqq said:
I'm about to do 50mg ED of Tren and 75mg ED of Test for 8 weeks.

I got plenty of Nolva on hand, do you people think it will be as good as Arimidex for an anti-e during cycle at 10-15mg ED?


I'm no expert but from everything that I've read...nolva is only used for gyno and PCT....arimidex is for bloating...

how much fat could one expect to gain during a bulking cycle with a good diet....just using nolva for gyno???
 
needsize said:
The bloat isnt a problem, the only thing I would worry about is that sometimes it causes people to store estrogen related body fat, thats one of the reasons people use anti-e's

That's what I was going to say.

Regardless of any bloat issues the fact is you're going to burn fat better if you're keeping your estrogen levels low. If you're shooting Test for cutting this is certainly something to keep in mind.
 
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