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Ripped=WAB

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Hi All, nice to find this great board!

This is going to be only my second cycle, can you please take a look and provide feedback?

My first cycle was 8 weeks of DBol (25 ED) and Sustanon (250 per week). I waited two weeks and took Clomid at 50mg ED for two weeks after that. I actualy got good gains in mass and strength, but now I really want to push it.

[edit: should mention stats, 6' even 225 LBS, BF%? more than I like]

Week 1-4
50mg Oxymetholone
250mg Sustanon
200mg Deca Durabolin
ED 10mg Winstrol
ED 10mg Nolvadex
ED 25mg Dbol

Week 5-8
250mg Sustanon
200mg Deca Durabolin
ED 20mg Winstrol
ED 10mg Nolvadex
EOD 50mg Dbol

Week 9-10
Off

Week 11-12
ED 50mg Clomid
ED 20mg Nolvadex

If not ED or EOD then it is weekly

Thank you.
 
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I'm not really understanding your orals on this cycle. Anadrol, and then dbol eod? Winstrol (winny) at 10mg/day?

I will say this, if you are prone to gyno, this cycle might give it to you. Taking test, deca, anadrol, and dbol...I don't care what the doses are is dangerous.

I know it isn't as exciting taking only a couple of substances, but I would recommend test and eq. If you want to keep the test low, do it at 250mg/week and hit the eq at 600mg/week. That is an awesome cycle, trust me.
 
Thank you for the feedback.

The orals were an attempt to get good gains (Androlic/DBol) and harden the muscles (Winstrol) a bit. You really think this is a dangerous combo? I did not get gyno problems on my lsat cycle, I added Nolvadex this time jsut in case.
 
Well, your first cycle was a low dose of dbol and a low dose of test. Not many people would get gyno symptoms on what you took.

However, when you start mixing and matching testosterone based gear with 19-nortestosterone based gear, the odds of gyno are heightened. Examples of 19-nortest derivatives: tren, deca, anadrol. Soooo, you have dbol which aromatizes pretty easily, and at 50mg at once, that is quite a bit. Also, you have anadrol which is notorious for exacerbating gyno problems, more so than other orals. And the other orals, since they are 17-aa gear, can also 'help' your gyno grow. Not good.

If you want to do orals, I would suggest waiting on the anadrol for your 3rd or 4th cycle, and say do 6 weeks of dbol at the beginning and 6 weeks of Winstrol (winny) at the end. That way, as soon as you finish the Winstrol (winny), you jump on the clomid-crying-train. As for doses, if you responded well to the 25mg/dbol, why not try that again? For the Winstrol (winny), I would recommend 50mg/day.

But I'm telling you, keep it simple. Test/eq is a killer combo and the odds of sides from those two are much lower than when you start adding in orals.
 
Welcome to S'ology Bro

Your cycles overkill, instead of trying to incorporate so much into one cycle. Separate them, do a cycle for strength and size. Then do one to get cut and hardin up.

JohnnyB
 
IMHO......that cycle just plain sucks !!

How about;
Weeks 1-4 - 25-30 mg D-bol/day
Weeks 1-10 - 500 mg Sust

or.......................

................anything simple like that, maybe throw in some Deca or EQ, but that's it.
 
OK, let me work on it again, I am glad I asked, seems I have a lot to learn yet... I was hoping to get better strength gains and a bit harder look then I got on my first cycle.

Thanks again....
 
JohnnyB said:
Welcome to S'ology Bro

Your cycles overkill, instead of trying to incorporate so much into one cycle. Separate them, do a cycle for strength and size. Then do one to get cut and hardin up.

JohnnyB

I agree with JB, concentrate on one or the other. It would be a much better idea to split the cycles. ;)
 
Bro it takes more then one cycle to reach our goals. Here's an example that helped me.

When a sculptor gets a piece of granite for his statue he gets a piece bigger then the finished statue is going to be.

JohnnyB
 
StoneColdNTO, I cannot get EQ, but what about this?

Week 1-4
30mg Dbol

Week 1-10
250 Sus
200 Deca

Off two weeks then Nolvadex/Clomid for two weeks.

Then I start a cutting cycle with the Winstrol (winny) later...

Thanks.
 
Ripped=WAB said:
StoneColdNTO, I cannot get EQ, but what about this?

Week 1-4
30mg Dbol

Week 1-10
250 Sus
200 Deca

Off two weeks then Nolvadex/Clomid for two weeks.

Then I start a cutting cycle with the Winstrol (winny) later...

Thanks.

Way better.....but I would increase both the Test & Deca a little bit. IMO, you would be much happier with the results.

If you do a shot of Sust every 5 days, that would put you at 350 mg/week.
Same thing with the Deca, 200 mg every 5 days....would be 280 mg/week

3 weeks off.....then Clo/Nov
 
OK, three weeks before Clomid/Nol, I knew that, why I was saying 2 I don't know :)...

I'll hold off a bit until I get more Sus/Deca on hand then I will start this cycle and see how it works out.

Thanks a lot for the help, appreciated...
 
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