Cycle ideas

[thebird]

I am new to the site and I am planning on starting a cycle within the next few months.
I am looking at a few options.
First, I am 5'11 230 at about 10% body fat. Currently cutting a bit, maybe down to around 8%. Previously, I was natural with exception to one Organon Sustanon 250 cycle plus Nolva and Clomid for PCT and I had gotten up to 267 pounds at around 10% body fat, so genetically, I guess I am a bit gifted. Then, I got a bacterial infection and lost all of my size/weight over the past 5 years, not touching a single weight. I started back around 6 weeks ago at 208 pounds. So, now, I am looking for a little boost, but I have been contemplating on whether or not to get that boost now, or wait until I have gained quite a bit more of my muscle back.
So, to the questions.
First, would any of you start a cycle now, or wait until you have much of your muscle back?
If you were to start now, any recommendations? I am leaning toward something along the lines of Sustanon 250/Test E, or Sustanon 250/Primobolan. I am wanting to minimize water retention as well as aromatization. I am curious as to what many of you would use on cycle to prevent aromatization as well as a good PCT for the recommended cycle. I am open to any and all suggestions or thoughts. Ultimately, I want to get back into competition and up to around 280(not on one cycle of course, unless I wait to return to 265 naturally. So, please, let the thoughts flow.

 

[MeatHead96]

5'11'' and 268 with 10 percent body fat. Seriously? Sustanon (sust) is test, so doing Sustanon (sust) and test e would make no sense at all. If your worried about aromatization you should either run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) or stack with a compound that doesnt aromatize. Maybe masteron? Try test 500mg, mast 400mg, with aromasin 12.5 every day, and hcg?

 

[Dleato]

A first cycle should always be a good ol simple test cycle IMO- test the water first, dont dive straight in the deep end.

Something like test e 500mg/week 1-12, arimidex .25mgs eod 3-14, nolvadex two weeks after last test E shot; @ 20,20,20,10,10.

 

[thebird]

5'11'' and 268 with 10 percent body fat. Seriously? Sustanon (sust) is test, so doing Sustanon (sust) and test e would make no sense at all. If your worried about aromatization you should either run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) or stack with a compound that doesnt aromatize. Maybe masteron? Try test 500mg, mast 400mg, with aromasin 12.5 every day, and hcg?

First, thanks for your response and your honest opinion at that, I appreciate it. Second, yes I know, it is a bit odd for a guy to make his first post and post about his size. I was in fact 267 pounds at approximately 10% body fat. I will take your thoughts into account when I make my decision.
Also, I will certainly take the pure test route into account? As far as test, such as test e or test c, what would be the major drawback of something such as Sustanon as opposed to a test e or test c cycle? I understand that the active period in the body is different, but how would the test c or test e be more effective than Sustanon?

 

[JWS77]

First, thanks for your response and your honest opinion at that, I appreciate it. Second, yes I know, it is a bit odd for a guy to make his first post and post about his size. I was in fact 267 pounds at approximately 10% body fat. I will take your thoughts into account when I make my decision.
Also, I will certainly take the pure test route into account? As far as test, such as test e or test c, what would be the major drawback of something such as Sustanon as opposed to a test e or test c cycle? I understand that the active period in the body is different, but how would the test c or test e be more effective than Sustanon?

There is no effective difference (gains/results) because test is test, the only difference is the ester. In this case test cyp or test enanthate vs Sustanon (sust) (multi-ester blend). The ester directly effects how long of a cycle is required to run.

 

[Dleato]

Cyp and E are almost identical when taken, on paper they may shed some differences but its not enough to say one is extremely better than the other. I would go for one of these for a first cycle. Like stated above, sustanon is a blend of multiple esters and for someone who dosent know how they will react to one let alone 4, the different time frames of the esters acting can elevate mood swings especially without a aromatise inhibitor. Some may beg to differ but i've seen it first hand with a few people, mainly the unexperienced.

 

[MeatHead96]

Cyp and E are almost identical when taken, on paper they may shed some differences but its not enough to say one is extremely better than the other. I would go for one of these for a first cycle. Like stated above, sustanon is a blend of multiple esters and for someone who dosent know how they will react to one let alone 4, the different time frames of the esters acting can elevate mood swings especially without a aromatise inhibitor. Some may beg to differ but i've seen it first hand with a few people, mainly the unexperienced.

He clearly stated that he has run a cycle before. Not first cycle.

 

[thebird]

Thanks guys for the responses and the input. It is much appreciated. I did not experience any side effects, not even so much as acne, but I would like to have an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) or blocker on hand just in case I start getting tender around the nips, etc,. Funny thing is, during my first and only cycle of Organon Sustanon 250, I experienced no real gains, until late in, or even after the cycle. Then it was like a load of bricks added to the scale. I am not certain what the issue could have been, most likely the action of the different esters I suspect. So, essentially for a beginner, I am looking at test, whether it be a cycle of test e, sustanon, or a combination of test and masteron(as someone suggested) or as someone local suggested a cycle of Test or Sustanon(same base, one a single ester, the other containing 4) and Oral Turinabol. I have never experimented with orals and I believe I would prefer the pins, but this guy has had outstanding results with the Sustanon/Oral Turinabol stack, however, he has more experience I.
But, from what I am gathering, strike out the Sustanon, use Test E or Test C in conjunction Masteron and Arimidex(for preventing aromatization) and Nolva for post cycle therapy (pct). Do I have a grasp? Or am I way off base?

 

[Dleato]

He clearly stated that he has run a cycle before. Not first cycle.

dont know where i got that from...

anyways,

It all depends on what your goals are, if you want to cut or bulk, or increase you're strength.Imo, if you've had good gains with 250, then why change?. You know how you're bodys going to react to it and what to expect.You could introduce a oral ad the end of the cycle to help solidify the gains you make, Something like var or winny.

 

[thebird]

dont know where i got that from...

anyways,

It all depends on what your goals are, if you want to cut or bulk, or increase you're strength.Imo, if you've had good gains with 250, then why change?. You know how you're bodys going to react to it and what to expect.You could introduce a oral ad the end of the cycle to help solidify the gains you make, Something like var or winny.

Thanks for the advice. I have been looking into var/primo/equipoise as part of my cycle in order to help to keep water retention at a minimum. I want to gain size/mass with minimal water retention and other androgenic side effects. I believe this will help with definition as well, correct?
I am looking at around 500mg/Sust per week, 400mg primo/equipoise per week or 40mg Var daily. Where I am really having trouble now is what would be good daily/eod for either an aromatase inhibitor or blocker. And then, I am looking for advice on post cycle therapy (pct). I am thinking something along the lines of Clomid for 3 weeks(sufficient?)...
So as follows.
Sustanon/ 500 mg per week- Weeks 1-12
Primo or EQ/ 400 mg per week- 1-12
HCG-Weeks 13-15
Clomid for PCT- Dosage? Weeks 15-17?
Nolva while on cycle at dosage x?

Am I on the right track guys? I think I am learning quite a bit reading on my own. And you guys are picking up the missing pieces to the puzzle. I think something like this makes some sense. Any in agreement, or am I way off base here?

 

[Dleato]

i would drop the eq.by the time you finish your cycle you will only just start the gaining period from eq.As for primo,there is a better way to cut imo, you can add var or Winstrol (winny) to the last 5 weeks of your cycle and have better results.Its not only a cheaper option but as far as leaness and gains go, i think thats the better choice.
clomid two weeks after last shot - 50,50,50,10,10
hcg - week 3-14 250 iu 2x/week
scrap the nolva on cycle.If you have it on hand run it along side clomid @ 20,20,20,10,10.
Use arimidex or aromasin on cycle.
Arimidex - .25mgs eod 1-14
aromasin - 12.5mgs e3d week 1 to end of pct

 

[Tiny1234]

If you went from 208 to 230lbs, in a 6 weeks, and have the potential to be 5'11 and265lbs naturally, and at 10% non the less. Damn If I could be that size...5'11 at 265 is almost the size of an Olympia then why even bother taking something?

 

[thebird]

i would drop the eq.by the time you finish your cycle you will only just start the gaining period from eq.As for primo,there is a better way to cut imo, you can add var or Winstrol (winny) to the last 5 weeks of your cycle and have better results.Its not only a cheaper option but as far as leaness and gains go, i think thats the better choice.
clomid two weeks after last shot - 50,50,50,10,10
hcg - week 3-14 250 iu 2x/week
scrap the nolva on cycle.If you have it on hand run it along side clomid @ 20,20,20,10,10.
Use arimidex or aromasin on cycle.
Arimidex - .25mgs eod 1-14
aromasin - 12.5mgs e3d week 1 to end of pct

Thanks man...I really appreciate your advice and it is all taken. I am going to run a cycle really soon based off of the info you and the rest of the guys who have chimed in have given. If I can come up with anything else, I will surely ask, and maybe one day I can help you out as well(got a long way to go), so your help and advice are greatly appreciated.

 

[thebird]

If you went from 208 to 230lbs, in a 6 weeks, and have the potential to be 5'11 and265lbs naturally, and at 10% non the less. Damn If I could be that size...5'11 at 265 is almost the size of an Olympia then why even bother taking something?

Almost naturally Tiny....I do understand completely where you are coming from, however, it is somewhat similar to those guys in the Olympia(at least at that height and a bit shorter), but even with the definition of 10% body fat, it was still pretty well off pace for those guys(but then again they are pro's right?). But I do appreciate your thoughts.

 

[MeatHead96]

i would drop the eq.by the time you finish your cycle you will only just start the gaining period from eq.As for primo,there is a better way to cut imo, you can add var or Winstrol (winny) to the last 5 weeks of your cycle and have better results.Its not only a cheaper option but as far as leaness and gains go, i think thats the better choice.
clomid two weeks after last shot - 50,50,50,10,10
hcg - week 3-14 250 iu 2x/week
scrap the nolva on cycle.If you have it on hand run it along side clomid @ 20,20,20,10,10.
Use arimidex or aromasin on cycle.
Arimidex - .25mgs eod 1-14
aromasin - 12.5mgs e3d week 1 to end of pct

Running Aromasin e3d is a bad idea. Aromasin has a 27 hour half life. This will cause many spikes in estrogen and could cause more sides. Aromasin should be run every day. 12.5 a day is good, 25 if sides occcur.

 

[Tiny1234]

I completely understand Bird. I was natural for 9 years, and competed in bodybuilding and powerlifting. I busted my ass and made sure to used steriods as a last resort. Just don't like to see anyone who has potential like yours put themselves at risk and jump the gun.
However I don't judge anyone, and i have just started doing AS again a week ago. Very new to this, but I can test you wnat i have learned on here is like everyone is saying. It is best to start with a test only cycle, and Aromasin should be run every day. 12.5 and if you need it double it daily. Keep researching ad take in all the info you can from these guys. With your size and genetics you'll be a beast either way. Good luck bro

 

[thebird]

Thanks everyone. I am more than likely going to run the Sust/Test cycle with the advice of Dleato. I have done quite a bit of reading and I think that something like this will definitely be of most benefit for me and my goals. I have gained 3 more pounds since my first post, so things are going nicely and my pants get more and more loose. All good signs. I will keep you guys posted. Thanks again.

 

[thebird]

Just a little update. I have dropped a bit of fat, not much, but noticeable in some areas more than others. My weight has stayed about the same. 230 give or take a pound. I had a bit of an unrestricted weekend in which I ate some chicken alfredo. My diet has been very, very strict with 75-80% of my protein coming from whole foods. Its been a real bitch after a five year layoff trying to put away enough calories to really grow again, but I know it will come, just as the muscle and overall mass. Naturally, I am seeing growth in my strong areas first which has had me working my weak points extra hard. My strong points are arms, upper and lower legs, chest and back(with exception to my lat insertions, they are higher than I would like, but I am working to stretch them). My abs and shoulders seem to be the most difficult areas to concentrate on. Too much ab work, I get the "bloat" look. Not enough, and they do not get the proper thickness. My shoulders are a pain in the ass at times. Sometimes they just seem to take off, others they seem to just shrink. Thankfully I was born with long collarbones. I am going to work out, possibly a few more months, tweaking, and especially getting my diet right and good calorie intake up in order to run my cycle and get the best gains. I would like to get in the neighborhood of 2.5 grams of protein for pound of bodyweight, maybe even a bit more before my cycle. I guess what I am trying to say is, I am going to wait until I feel the time is right to run the cycle. I need more size, more food, and more time...I will keep you guys posted. If you think I should change some things from what I have listed, please, feel free to add.

 

[thebird]

A bit off base here, but just out of curiousity, are the "research chemicals" by some of the companies, such as the liquid anastrazole(Arimidex), liquid exemestane(Aromasin), etc, as potent or as effective as the orals?