Cycle While on HRT

[treetrunk]

Hello, I am a 44 year old male 6’ tall 188 lbs 14% BF, been training for about 4 years. My doctor put me on hormone replacement therapy about 6 months ago, and I feel good. I take 400 mgs of test cyp every 2 weeks. I have thought about doing an Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) cycle to gain a little mass and get vascular for a long time. I think I would like to try some EQ stacked with the cyp I now take for Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT). This will be my first cycle so I don’t want to go way overboard on the amounts. I was thinking of doubling my Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) dosage to 400 mgs every week and adding in 300 or 400 mgs of EQ every week. Does this sound ok to you?

One big question I have, is about post cycle recovery. I will be staying on my Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) dose of 400 mgs of cyp every 2 weeks after the cycle is over, so do I still need clomid, and if so how much, and should I be taking 1 mg/day of armidex during the cycle?

Thank you in advance.

 

[DADAWG]

bro you shouldnt need post cycle therapy but some nolvadex on hand for emergencys would be good , i mg of arimidex is too much for your doses in my opinion .5 every other day should do the trick , as for your cycle you have a couple of other options , you could just do 400 mg of test a week or stay with Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) but add 400-600 of eq every week if you do that you shouldnt need the arimidex , i would start with one of these because you can always go up on doses next time , i hope this helps PEACE

 

[DADAWG]

oops i forgot to say welcome

 

[ready2explode]

Go with 400mgs of EQ and double that test dose to 400mgs every week (isnt that a lil high for Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) though?)

Post cycle you need NOTHING which is great...a lot of guys like to use some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) cuz even though their balls dont work as well as they used ta, they'd still like to have 'em LOL good luck bro!

 

[SWALE]

First, I would respectfully suggest you go from 400mg every other week to 200mg every week for your test cyp. Doing so has been shown to lessen the risk of developing polycythemia.

I assume your doctor is testing your testosterone, estrogen and LH levels while on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT). Average Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) test cyp dosage is only 75-100mg per week so, unless you have been tested, you are probably above normal range already. I do have a patient that, for whatever reason, needs a whopping 400mg per week to get him to the top of normal range, though, so that is what I do for him.

A month into your cycle, run an estradiol assay. Be sure to have it via the extraction method, as the rapid test (for in vitro fertilization of women) will be of no use to you. The rapid test cuts off at the bottom at 50ng/dL, and that is precisely the top range for men.

If your E is too high, then use Arimidex at 0.25mg EOD. That's not very much, and you do have to be kind of careful about cutting those little stinkers into quarters, but you will get good at it. Then test estradiol again, to see if you have to make further adjustments.

I have quite a few fellows who do intermittent Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) cycles while living on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT). Shoot, I also have a few who do intermittent Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) between steroid cycles! The important thing is they are open with me about what they are doing, so I can better care for them (that's a hint).

Keep some Clomid or Nolvadex on hand in case you get itchy nipples. Then frontload it quickly. Someties men on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) do get a little nipple sensitivity, even some swelling, even though their E is still within normal range. This is because accelerations in a changing serum testosterone level.

 

[SWALE]

I forgot to mention that you cannot take a SERM, such as Clomid or Nolvadex, and get an Estradiol assay that is of any value.

 

[JohnnyB]

Welcome bro,

I'm on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) too, I do use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during my cycle and will do a post cycle therapy if needed for cosmetic reasons. I like to have nuts not raisins, so that's my reason. I like what SWALE suggested once a week injection and damn 200mg a week for Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) add 50mg's more and that's a low dose cycle. Their are a few Bro here on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT), so your in the right place

JohnnyB

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Welcome bro......I'm another one on HRT.

Talking from personal experience (I'm about the same age, well a little older), keep an eye on your blood pressure when you do start cycling.

 

[treetrunk]

Thank you all for your quick responses, and great advise. I am going to start doing 200 mgs/week for my HRT.

I had a hemacrit and lipid profile a month ago and it was great. It was the best lipid profile I have ever had in my life! 171. My doctor told me my red blood cell count was right in the middle of the range. Right now my blood pressure runs 130/82. I check it every week.

Again thanks soooo much, I'm glad I found this place!

 

[DTOX]

I had a hemacrit and lipid profile a month ago and it was great. It was the best lipid profile I have ever had in my life! 171. My doctor told me my red blood cell count was right in the middle of the range. Right now my blood pressure runs 130/82. I check it every week.

That's one of the most interesting things that I've heard/read repeatedly: bringing low testosterone levels up to mid/high will *improve* lipid profiles (especially HDL levels)!

I'm on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) too, and I can't wait to see what my lipid profile is after a year.

 

[SWALE]

TRT can improve EVERY parameter of the Lipid Profile.

 

[DTOX]

TRT can improve EVERY parameter of the Lipid Profile.

SWALE,

In your experience have you seen the point at which testosterone gets high enough it starts harming lipid profiles? I've heard people say that it's as soon as you go over the high point of norm (800-1000) that it starts causing problems, but this has been anecdotal. Just wondering if you've seen any trend that could shed some light on this.

Also, what gauge needle is everyone using for Depo-Testosterone? I get stabbed with an 18g right now.

 

[SWALE]

DTOX--Yes, you are quite correct, that is the general trend. Actions following receptor activation change tremendously as we go from zero to the top of "normal" to supra-physiological serum androgen levels. In fact, actions at the receptor change as well.

An 18ga needle is not a needle--it's a trocar! Why do you do that to yourself? My guys seem to prefer 22ga needles. They are easy to fill with, and then can inject without changing pins.

BTW, if you so enjoy beating yourself up like that, I know some guys who will be happy to do that for you, and at very reasonable prices! LOL.

 

[wayner]

HRT in the H O U S E !

Welcome!

As for you possible cycle, doubling the Test to 400/week and adding EQ at 400/week seems to be a well liked combination, thats both relitively(sp) safe and effective.

Also a question for you.

Can you be honest with your doc regarding this decision?

 

[DTOX]

An 18ga needle is not a needle--it's a trocar! Why do you do that to yourself? My guys seem to prefer 22ga needles. They are easy to fill with, and then can inject without changing pins.

BTW, if you so enjoy beating yourself up like that, I know some guys who will be happy to do that for you, and at very reasonable prices! LOL.

It's not me, it's my doc's nurses! For whatever reason they think they *need* an 18ga for the Depo-Testosterone. They think they're injecting 20W-50 motor oil or something.

As soon as I can do my own injections I'm switching to 22ga (which is what everyone has recommended).

 

[SWALE]

That is absolutely ridiculous. In fact, I'd go so far as to say it pisses me off to hear that! Tell them to use the 18ga. for their convenience to fill with, the a 22 or 23ga. for the injection.

 

[treetrunk]

Answer to wayne and zeus about being honest with my doc is no I don't want to for fear he will stop me from the Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT), and I want to stay on that as long as possible.

 

[SWALE]

There is no way to properly administer Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) to someone who is not being up front about their other hormonal "supplementation". Shoot, it's hard enough as it is. That is why, if any of my Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) guys did a cycle without telling me about it (which they wouldn't, because there would be no reason for them to do so, and we have a beter relationship than that, anyway) they would find themselves summarily discharged from my practice.

 

[treetrunk]

Swale:
My doc seems to be pretty conservative with the Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT), that is why I don't want to tell him. When he started me out he started me on Androjel about a year ago, and I took it for about 3 months and it didn't seem to help my libido, so I stopped. I spent a lot of time reading about Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) on the web and on my next visit to him I told him I wanted to try some injectable, and he was very hesitant about it, but after he realized I knew something about it he said I could try it, and wrote me a script. I am so worried if I tell him I want to do a cycle of steroids for muscle enhancment he will worry and tell me he dosen't want me even doing the Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) anymore.

I have an appointment with him in June, and I will think about telling him about what I want to do. I don't plan on doing the cycle until the first of next year anyway, I just want to get all my shit together and get all my gear beforehand so I will know exactly what to do when it is time.

 

[JohnnyB]

My doc seems to be pretty conservative with the Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT)

Not when it comes to dose

If you have a appointment in June why not wait until after that appointment. When is your next appointment 4 or 6 months after that?

JohnnyB