Dbol and Test E cycle. Thoughts?

[Kringle1112]

Whats up guys, about to embark on a cycle of D-bol and Test E.
I will be eating around 3800-4000 cals a day with about a 40p,35c,25f macro break down..
I will be training like a mad man, which I always do , 4-5 days a week and doing mostly a bodybuilding type split..
I have been lifting for 5+ years and training seriously for 4.

Here is what my cycle will look like:

1-10 TEST E - 250mg 2x per week (shooting for Mondays and Thursdays)
1-4 DBOL - 30mg EOD (as a solid mass gaining kickstarter)
1-10 Arimidex - .25 EOD for estrogen
12-15 Nolva - 40/20/20.20
12-15 Clomid - 100/50/50/50

Let me get some thoughts and comments.

Thank you.

 

[Megatron28]

Age? Height? Weight? Body fat %?

Please list previous cycles.

 

[Kringle1112]

Age: 24
Height: 6'2
Weight: 205
Body fat: 11%

This will be my first true cycle other than that prohormone crap. Been holding off for a few years due to age..

Thanks.

 

[bigben66]

First cycle needs to be Test only brother....

If your estrogen soars in the first few weeks, you have no idea whether it's a reaction to the D'Bol or the Test, therefore you'll have learnt fuck all from your first cycle...

You'll get amazing results from Test only at your age, no need to complicate matters.... save the D'bol for cycle 2, and learn how your body reacts to exogenous testosterone.

Learn this: You should aim to learn at least one thing from every single cycle you run. So that you can progress with every future cycle.

If it's a toss up between complicating a cycle for minimal gains or simplifying a cycle for steady gains - then it's a no-brainer - err on the side of caution, and take the steady run, at least you'll educate yourself on what went well, and what didn't.

Good luck bro

BigBen

 

[Kringle1112]

Hey man appreciate the advice. Yeah, I mean all the research I've done suggests to do a cycle of test only for first cycle but by buddy swears by stacking it with an oral, even though I'm hesitant about it. But I'll definitely take your advice; I'd feel more comfortable doing test only anyway, due to the estrogen and liver problems this dbol will cause.

Plus hey, I'll save money

 

[Megatron28]

Ben gave you great advice.

Now back to your cycle. You have some issues:

Arimidex need to be run up until Week 12.

You don't have hCG included in your cycle. I highly recommend you add it in if you like your testicles and you want to recover faster when PCT starts.

You need to get pre, mid and Post cycle blood work.

Have you read the FAQs thread that is linked to in my signature line? That has a lot of good info for you.

P.S. I think that getting 25% of your calories from Fat on cycle is too much.

 

[Kringle1112]

Thanks Megatron.

Yeah I'm looking into hcg and trying to find a source because the one I'm getting all my stuff from doesn't have any, that's why I didn't include it. But if and hopefully once I get it; I'll run it at 250 2x per week. Is it ok to mix it with test?? Even though oil and water won't mix...not a fan of pinning twice..

And yes, haha read your FAQ page and it is dope, awesome information.

I've been keeping my fat content pretty high for the past few months with carbs lower and have been enjoying it.. though, maybe I'll bump it to 40,40,20.

And yeah I'll def be getting bloodwork done, can get it done practically for Dre through my work...

 

[Megatron28]

Thanks Megatron.

Yeah I'm looking into hcg and trying to find a source because the one I'm getting all my stuff from doesn't have any, that's why I didn't include it. But if and hopefully once I get it; I'll run it at 250 2x per week. Is it ok to mix it with test?? Even though oil and water won't mix...not a fan of pinning twice..

And yes, haha read your FAQ page and it is dope, awesome information.

I've been keeping my fat content pretty high for the past few months with carbs lower and have been enjoying it.. though, maybe I'll bump it to 40,40,20.

And yeah I'll def be getting bloodwork done, can get it done practically for Dre through my work...

You can mix test and hCG in the same syringe to only have to do one injection. Just don't let the little bubbles you are going to see in there freak you out.

Wait until you have hCG to start your cycle.

Post up your pre-cycle blood work when you get it so we can see it.

 

[Kringle1112]

Alright sounds good. I'll be sure to do that. And I'll post results, my reactions, lifts, etc.. Thanks megatron

And I'll let you guys know if anything concerning happens. Little nervous but at the same time pumped, never pinned before..

So my revised cycle w/ no dbol:

1-10 TEST E - 250mg 2x per week
(shooting for Mondays and Thursdays)
1-10 HCG - 250iu 2x per week (with test)
1-12 Arimidex - .25 EOD for estrogen
12-15 Nolva - 40/20/20.20
12-15 Clomid - 100/50/50/50

Any other advice or comments would be cool.
Thanks bros.

 

[Megatron28]

Alright sounds good. I'll be sure to do that. And I'll post results, my reactions, lifts, etc.. Thanks megatron

And I'll let you guys know if anything concerning happens. Little nervous but at the same time pumped, never pinned before..

So my revised cycle w/ no dbol:

1-10 TEST E - 250mg 2x per week
(shooting for Mondays and Thursdays)
1-10 HCG - 250iu 2x per week (with test)
1-12 Arimidex - .25 EOD for estrogen
12-15 Nolva - 40/20/20.20
12-15 Clomid - 100/50/50/50

Any other advice or comments would be cool.
Thanks bros.

hCG needs to be 1-12 weeks.

I would start clomid at 75 instead of 100.

Get some Raloxifene to keep on hand in case of gyno.