Deca or EQ?

[dbol]

Hey up guys.
Considering my first cycle in a long time and I'm concerned about MPB.
I have homebrewed a shit load of gear including Test E, EQ, Deca, Anavar, Letrozole, Finasteride, Nolvadex and Clomid.
I'm thinking of running either EQ or Deca with a very low dose of Test E - 200mg a week just to avoid shut down problems but without excacerbating any hairloss problems. I will do this for 10 weeks and begin Anavar in week 8 and continue with it for 6 weeks after discontinueing the injectables. The anavar is to maintain the gains (and firm up) whilst the deca (if thats what i use) works its way out. After the anavar I will do 6 weeks of PCT.

My question is simple, which do you think is better given my concerns over hairloss - Deca or EQ? My aim is to gain around 12lbs of lean mass over the entire cycle and firm up with the anavar.
Any help will be gratefully recieved.

 

[jediclampet]

Neither deca nor EQ are known for causing hairloss - but var might.

 

[dbol]

Thanks for the reply.
Var a problem with hair? I always thought var was safe on the hairline and that Eq could be a problem.
Whats the reasoning behind var causing it?

 

[jediclampet]

Thanks for the reply.
Var a problem with hair? I always thought var was safe on the hairline and that Eq could be a problem.
Whats the reasoning behind var causing it?

EQ might cause a little hairloss in some but I think it's generally pretty mild in that regard.

I thought I remembered some guys saying they sheded some hair due to var but I did a quick search and could not find any posts to support that. Most of the posts I read agreed with what you said - that var is gentle on the hair line. I found this thread though:

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92890&highlight=var+hair

This thread mentions using minoxidil to bring back any lost hair from a cycle. I do not know if you can just use minoxidil for a couple of months after the cycle and then stop. I am now using minoxidil all the time.

I have had a severe receding hairline since my early twenties before I started using AAS. I often use use high doses of test and have used Winstrol (winny) and tren numerous times too. But I also use minoxidil, HGH and IGF. I think I have actually gained hair since starting Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) due to minoxidil, HGH and IGF.

 

[HeHateMe]

Do not start taking the minoxidil if you don't intend on using it the rest of your life. If you use it and suddenly stop down the road all the hair you've re-grown/maintained because it of will quickly disappear.

As per your choice of steroids, all three are generally regarded as pretty safe choices in regards to the hair. Of course, this is only applicable when using sane/rational doses. Once you get into the high dosage range, everything gets thrown out the window.

If it were me, I'd probably go with cyp/eq/var. Finasteride is not recommended when using deca unless one is using copious amounts of testosterone alongside it.

It would be prudent to pick up a good topical anti-androgen and use that religiously while on cycle. Also washing with nizoral shampoo a few times per week can help as well.

 

[RichGenetics]

Agree with Hehateme.

I would pick the cyp/eq/var cycle. If your wanting to throw in something else just for kicks and see how your body reacts, as that is what I'm doing this cycle, you could always throw in a dirivitive of Deca and do NPP.

I was convinced it would be a great addition to my current cycle, and am looking forward to the results.

Deca does stay in your system for quite sometime, and for some, causes irreversable gyno. I didn't ever want to chance that happening, as I have some very minor gyno now, so I've never taken deca. It gets a bad rap, but some love it and some don't. I can't say either, as I've never taken it, but wanted to try NPP as it's very close, but has a short half life, and if something ever flares up I can always stop the dosage and keep the gyno in check with cabergoline.

I'm running a very light dose of NPP, around 100mg E3days. Most would say go higher than that.

Good luck.

 

[dbol]

Thanks guys. What kind of dosage would you recommend. I'm wanting to go pretty high but stay safe regarding hairloss.
This isn't my first cycle, far from it in fact. I've used gear on and off for about seven years. Its only be the past two years since my hair started sheddding though and it seemed to begin about the time I did a massive cycle of Tren, Test E, Dbol and Winstrol. I was also taking Finasteride at the same time and occassionaly popping Proviron tabs to keep from going limp as I had a new 19 yr old girl friend. That was by far the best cycle I have ever done but I'm convinced (rightly or wrongly) that it caused my shedding and now i'm paranoid.
I'm thinking of doing around 200mg a week of Test E purely to avoid limp noodle syndrome, and doing either 400mg of deca or 400mg of EQ. Running this for 12 weeks. At Week 10 starting the Var and running this for 8 weeks. That way I will have been off the Deca/EQ and Test E for 6 weeks whilst on the Var, long enough for the Deca/EQ and Test E to have stopped having an effect. Then I will begin 6 weeks of PCT.
If I go with the EQ, is it safe at 400mg regarding hairloss, and is Finasteride safe to take along with the EQ? Given the length of the cycle, and the fact that I haven't been on for well over 18 months, I'm thinking I won't need to go higher than this as I will see the gains I want over the time I'm on it. That is around 10-12lbs lean mass gain without water retention and I also want to firm up.
Cheers for all your help.

 

[captain wacky]

I personally love EQ. Good steady gains, very low water retention, No limp dick, and less of a crash when you are off. As far as hair loss, I have issues with high doses of Test (500mg or higher) however, I have never had an issue with Deca or Eq in that aspect.
I am currently doing a cycle of 250 mg Test and 400 mg EQ and everything seems to be going good.

 

[HeHateMe]

It's not at all surprising that you suffered a great deal of hair loss while running, dbol, tren, and Winstrol (winny). Those are three of the biggest culprits when it comes to accelerating hair loss.

That cycle you have outlined is just about identical to the one I'm starting in a few weeks:

Cyp 200 EW or EOW (haven't decided yet) 1-12
EQ 400 EW 1-12
Var 40mg 7-14

btw, this is how I would recommend constructing your cycle rather than beginning the var at week 10 through 16.

Finasteride is OK to take with EQ, it will just not be effective in combating any EQ induced hair loss, although EQ shouldn't cause much fallout anyway. To be on the safe side use nizoral and spiro.

I would say that your goals are within reason and very achievable.

Good luck.

 

[dbol]

That sounds pretty good to me Captain Wacky, I think I will do the same given your opinion and the general concensus around here.
How long are you running them for? What do you plan on using for post cycle therapy (pct)?
I thinking of just using Clomid for 6 weeks but I have nolvadex on hand to.
How long have you been on and what are your results so far?

 

[dbol]

Oh okay HeHatMe. The reason I was considering running the Var for longer after coming off was because I was considering using Deca and I know that it can be really tough to keep gains when coming off due to its long half life.
I'll take on board what you have said and start my Var ealier on, though I think i'll maybe want to start it a couple of weeks after what you said so that I can start my post cycle therapy (pct) 4 weeks after stopping Test E and EQ.
The only reason i'm considering the Finasteride is to counter the Test E, although i'm hoping that it shouldn't be a problem at low doses.
Thanks for all your help.
Are any of you guys planning on running a cycle log on here?
I think I might to help anyone else out who is considering this cycle.

 

[HeHateMe]

The reason I recommend the var up till post cycle therapy (pct) (2 weeks past the eq/cyp) is so you can streamline right into PCT.

Good luck.

 

[captain wacky]

That sounds pretty good to me Captain Wacky, I think I will do the same given your opinion and the general concensus around here.
How long are you running them for? What do you plan on using for post cycle therapy (pct)?
I thinking of just using Clomid for 6 weeks but I have nolvadex on hand to.
How long have you been on and what are your results so far?

I will be running for 12 weeks, I find that EQ works better on longer cycles. As Far post cycle therapy (pct) I have Clomid and HCG on hand I will start post cycle therapy (pct) 3 weeks after my last eq shot. I personally do not like nolva, I have to Scientific reason for not likening it just don't. I am on my 4th week so far so I can't really give any real results yet other then an increase in strength, I seems to see results with EQ on the 6 week. However last time I did this same cycle I gained a good 12lbs of lean muscle when all was said and done.

 

[captain wacky]

The reason I recommend the var up till post cycle therapy (pct) (2 weeks past the eq/cyp) is so you can streamline right into PCT.

Good luck.

I also found Proviron helps with streamlining into pct.

 

[Old Balls]

I have run test/deca at 300/mg each per week and loved the results. No gyno or any bad sisde that I noticed. I have EQ and looking forward to cycle in June of test/EQ. I run test E at 150mg per week all the time, so I don;t really have a PCT. Keep us posted on gains and sides..good luck.

 

[dbol]

Chears for all the help guys. I will be starting soon and so will create a cycle log when I do. I'll be doing 200mg Test E a week with 500mg EQ a week for 12 weeks. Starting Anavar at week 8 for 8 weeks and then post cycle therapy (pct) immediately after the Anavar. That way I will have been off the Test and EQ for 4 weeks when I start the post cycle therapy (pct).
And i'll be running the Anavar at 50mg a day unless anyone thinks this is a bad idea for some reason. Perhaps not enough or perhaps to much as it may cause hairloss at this dose?
I have just finished brewing my test E and will be doing my EQ tomorrow so will hopefully be all set to start next week.