Deca & Test - 1st Cycle

[crc66]

I have wanted to try a cycle for many years and I am finally getting ready to try my first. I have been reading the forum for a few weeks and find some of the information confusing and educational. The more I learn the more I realize I need to learn more. So I am hoping for a little help from you.

My Stats

• 41
• 6’
• 235lbs
• Training hard for 5 years – natural to this point
• Bench 315lbs
• Squat – 360 lbs

I am looking at doing a 10 week cycle of Nandrolone Decanoate (300mg/ml) and Testosterone Cypionate (250mg/ml). I was thinking of the following dosages, Deca 300mg/week and Test 500mg/week. I would take the Test for an additional 2 weeks after I stop the Deca.

Questions

1.Should I divide these dosages over two days? Maybe take half of each on a Monday and the other half on Thursday? I see that the active life of both of these steroids is around 2 weeks so not sure if dividing the dosage is necessary.
2.Both of these steroids cause water retention which is something I would like to minimize. Is there anything I should take during the cycle to help reduce water retention?
3.A guy at my gym suggested that I take Estrogenex (Hi-Tech) (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ht/estro.html) for my post cycle therapy (pct). Does anyone have any experiences with this supplement?

Thanks for all your help and look forward to reading your responses.

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Bad cycle choice for your first......
please read this ... http://209.200.9.151/forum/showthread.php?t=47323

...and for PCT.....start researching "Clomid".

 

[crc66]

Thank you for the link. It sounds like I might be getting ahead of myself with adding the Deca. I completely understand what the article is saying. When I think about it I use the same troubleshoot principles in my job.

I started to look more closely at Clomiphene. I almost had a heart attack when I see how much some sites are selling this stuff for. I have found a generic brand that comes in 50mg (90 tablets $) and 25mg tablets (90 tablets $). What kind of daily dosages should I be taking and for how long?

If I just do Test, 500mg/week for 8 weeks how long after the last shot do I start taking Clomiphene? I think around 14 days since that is the active life of test.

What about water retention? How can combat that?

 

[HeHateMe]

Just a heads up. Listing prices is against board rules, so you may wanna delete that part of your post. In any event, liquid versions of clomiphene can be had cheaply.

The usual dosage is somewhere along the lines of 100mg for 10 days, 50mg/d for another two to three weeks. I'd suggest beginning about two weeks after your last injection.

You can reduce water retention through the use of an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) (a-dex, aromasin, letrozole). I'd also extend the cycle another 2-4 weeks and lower the dose a bit. I think 400mg/wk is plenty for a first timer.

 

[MassMonster86]

Thank you for the link. It sounds like I might be getting ahead of myself with adding the Deca. I completely understand what the article is saying. When I think about it I use the same troubleshoot principles in my job.

I started to look more closely at Clomiphene. I almost had a heart attack when I see how much some sites are selling this stuff for. I have found a generic brand that comes in 50mg) and 25mg tablets ( What kind of daily dosages should I be taking and for how long?

If I just do Test, 500mg/week for 8 weeks how long after the last shot do I start taking Clomiphene? I think around 14 days since that is the active life of test.

What about water retention? How can combat that?

i wouldnt worry about water retention ...test shouldnt make you hold much water..just drink plenty of it.. or get some adex.

test at 400-500mg a week is good..(first cycle-age-prior training)
then get some clomid for pct.

btw.. dont list prices..

 

[crc66]

Ok, great thanks for your feed back.

I have ordered some Clomid on line in tablet form. I had problems finding it in injectable form.

I am going to do just the test for my first cycle. The article you pointed me made a lot of good since. Thank you. Since the test that I have is 250mg/ml. I am thinking of taking 1.6ml per week for a total of 400mg/ week.

Should I take this all in one injection or divide it up over two or three? For example take two injections of .8ml during the week, like on Monday and Thursday.

 

[bigbodymingle]

for that amount just inject once a week

 

[crc66]

Does anyone have a good supplier of Clomid (injectable perferably)?

 

[snowball]

they dont inject clomid they are referring to liquid used oraly

 

[crc66]

hahahahahaha - thanks for clearing that up for me. Can you tell I am just learning?

 

[loqueva]

Just a heads up. Listing prices is against board rules, so you may wanna delete that part of your post. In any event, liquid versions of clomiphene can be had cheaply.

The usual dosage is somewhere along the lines of 100mg for 10 days, 50mg/d for another two to three weeks. I'd suggest beginning about two weeks after your last injection.

You can reduce water retention through the use of an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) (a-dex, aromasin, letrozole). I'd also extend the cycle another 2-4 weeks and lower the dose a bit. I think 400mg/wk is plenty for a first timer.

Do you take the A-dex throughout the cycle, or afterwards as part of post cycle therapy (pct)? And at what dosages?