i am curently using them. but i am only taking 24mg ed. i don't have much fat i just wanted to hardin up my muscles and cut them up. but for the money i hated them b/c if you want to take a good dossage then 50mg ed or eod is pretty expensive, just got my hands on some BD 50mgs and hope they work good! but if you look at the drug it self yea they are good but very expensive.