Different types of muscle quality with different types of protein intakes?

[stratounet]

What up guys, I was thinking about something...

I may be wrong on a lot of stuff so just correct me if I am, thanks.

Alright, I don't really know how to put it into words but let's just start with an example:

1- A guy who only eats beef ( with some carrots and stuff ) but the guy does not eat fish or and protein carrier nutrient.

2- A guy who only eats fish.............

3-A guy who only eats beans.............

4-A guy who eats of everything.

So now that we've got our three guys, I'd like to know this: since not all amino acids are present in an alimentation of only beef, or only fish, or only beans, and since the guy who only eats beef WILL STILL GROW MUSCLES, without getting some of the essential amino acids, would it be possible that the muscle of #4 would be of better quality than the muscle of #1-2-3? I'm having a hard time figuring that one out and it's been itching in my brain for a long time, just wanted to talk about it with you guys before starting my own research on the web.

Also, I'm a veggie, is it bad to take most of my proteins intake in liquid forms ( protein shakes ). Since protein shakes take 30 minutes to be absorbed and proteins from meet take up to 36 hours, in my head it's obviou that protein shakes are easier on the liver... but could always be wrong... what do you guys think?

 

[stratounet]

What up guys? No replies?

 

[atherjen]

Im scratching my head here..
ahhhh assuming taht the guy in #4 that eats a variety of protein sources would get a more abundant variation of amino acids. #3 is lacking complete amino acids. not a good source of complete protein. 1/2 is better then 3 but still need variety.

also, as you last stated, whey protein is not a good source to rely on protein. as said, digested far too quickly, lacking different amino acids.. the body does not actaully have to work to break down this liquid... therefore one does not benefit from the metabolic boost that we get from eating whole protein sources..
are you a complete vegetarian.. do you eat eggs? dairy?

 

[Injectyourspinach]

First of all, "different types of muscle quality" is more an issue of type of training as well as levels and timing of carb intake than it is types of protein intake -- provided the level of total calories and protein intake is sufficient and the proteins are of complete amino acid profile. Muscle growth can happen to Type 1 or Type 2 fibers and can take place via the myofibrils, sarcomeres, or sarcoplasms of these fibers. Type of training determines what grows in what ratios. Also, carb intake levels and timing can drastically effect sarcoplasmic growth. Anyways, growth or protein assimilation either happens or doesn't happen in these areas of the muscle; there is no "low-quality" or "high-quality" only different types of growth of different types of fibers.

Having said that, you compare a diet based around deriving your protein from beans to diets revolving around beef or fish. I should point out that the protein in beans is of an incomplete amino acid profile. Only when combined with an equal amount of complementary proteins from another food source would the bean intake have any real signifigance towards muscle gains. All other aspects of diet being equal though, with adequate amounts (at least 1 gram per pound of LEAN bodyweight, according to studies) of COMPLETE(D) proteins from any of the main sources mentioned, rates of muscle gain should be nearly identical. Although you do get small amounts of creatine in beef that might make a slight positive difference in comparison.

Where it gets botched up is when you stray from the diet scenarios you wanted compared to a scenario in which you get all your protein intake in the form of quick-digesting (presumably whey) shakes. The problem with that is that part of what makes a protein of greater benefit other than certain targetted times around workouts or first thing after waking up is the slower absorbed properties. Extended absorption throughout the day and night means there are longer periods of free amino acid pools for the body to draw from for anabolic and anti-catabolic purposes. A good alternative to focused whey protein powder intake would be a casein or milk protein powder either on their own or mixed with whey at any other time other than first thing in the morning, pre-workout, or post-workout. At those specific times, whey protein on its own becomes more beneficial.

 

[atherjen]

you explained that one dead on!

 

[damngenetics]

Tear it up Injectyourspinach, tear it up

 

[stratounet]

whey protein is not a good source to rely on protein. as said, digested far too quickly, lacking different amino acids..

Well, on the bottle, all the amino acids are present, or most of them.

are you a complete vegetarian.. do you eat eggs? dairy?

I eat eggs (free run hens) and drink milk (from quebec only ), just nothing that had to be killed for me to eat, for the simple fact that I can get my proteins from other sources which did not have to be killed.

casein or milk protein powder

What's that? I've never heard of it? What is it made from? Doesn't whey comes from milk already?

Thanks for the answers by the way.

 

[DirkMoneyshot]

Mass Rookie I'm sorry but your a complete idiot. How old are you, like 12. I hate name calling but every time i come on the diet forum you are giving people the dumbest advice.

Number 1: Who the hell eats mac and cheese for the Protein??
Number 2: Who only eats a can of tuna?


You do not need calories from shakes. Shakes should only be used as a last resort.

90% of your food intake should come from "Real foods"

Never rely on whey protein shakes.

300g of protein / day is attainable through whole foods.

Your advice is probably why your stuck at "170lb with a gut ", your words. while taking huge amounts of test and anadrol

Start listening to some of the experts and pull your head out of your ass.

 

[Injectyourspinach]

I eat eggs (free run hens) and drink milk (from quebec only ), just nothing that had to be killed for me to eat, for the simple fact that I can get my proteins from other sources which did not have to be killed. [/B]

Lacto-ovo vegetarianism is a perfectly acceptable style of eating as it allows both adequate complete protein intake as well as an adequate intake of the saturated animal fats that have been shown to be important in the support of optimal free androgen levels. Whole eggs and whole milk are great sources of both. Protein powders are made from these products to a. take advantage of specific properties for certain times (Whey becomes especially beneficial post-workout; Casein becomes especially beneficial at night) b. allow more total control over macronutrient intakes especially certain potential negatives such as lactose and c. add convenience. A good mix of whole-foods and their powder derivatives at different times affords the benefits of both.

What's that? I've never heard of it? What is it made from? Doesn't whey comes from milk already?[/B]

The protein in milk is made up of both casein and whey. For Casein protein powder, they separate the casein from the rest of the milk. For Whey protein powder, they separate the whey from the rest of the milk. For Milk protein powder, they separate both the casein and whey together in their natural ratios from the rest of the milk (made up of fats and lactose).

 

[stratounet]

Thanks for according me your time bro!