earliest age for steroid use

[srofa]

Hey guys I’m pretty new to the world of steroids so I was wondering if anyone is able to give me some advice before I try taking anything, I’m posting this on another site too so if you see it don’t think I'm ignoring your advice and looking for better advice. Sorry for the long post but any advice would be appreciated.

I have nothing against waiting longer or starting earlier it’s just that once I start I am not planning to stop until I am one of the worlds’ best. I am planning to start my first cycle at 20; I am currently 18 with only two years experience lifting so by 20 I would have 4 years experience in the gym. I am 190 pounds with 17% body fat, given the rate I have been going at I can see myself at 20 being at least 210 pounds and 10% body fat.

My stats are (and please note my actual maximum might be higher as these stats are for 5 reps);
• Bench press: 170 pounds
• Squat: 310 pounds
• Deadlift: 250 pounds

I train 4 days a week:
• Tuesday: chest, lats and triceps
• Thursday: legs
• Saturday: biceps, shoulders and back
• Sunday: legs (I train legs twice because I want to further increase my jump height)

I eat a minimum of 200g protein a day and am getting well over my calorie needs.

I have read that underage steroid use will have permanent negative effects on my body’s HPTA and can cause stunted growth due to excess Estrogen through Testosterone aromatisation.
So my questions are:
1. If I was to take non aromatising orals and a good AI would I be able to minimise the effects of Estrogen on my growth?
2. Would the damage to my HPTA be negligible if I was to cycle on and off steroids indefinitely until I’m old and grey and given up on bodybuilding?
3. And lastly if I hope to one day be like Ronnie Coleman and the other greats, if I waited until the recommended age of 25 would I still be able to make it or would I need the extra 5 years and start at 20 or even earlier assuming my diet and routine are on point?


Thanks

 

[PortgasDAce]

Hey guys I***8217;m pretty new to the world of steroids so I was wondering if anyone is able to give me some advice before I try taking anything, I***8217;m posting this on another site too so if you see it don***8217;t think I'm ignoring your advice and looking for better advice. Sorry for the long post but any advice would be appreciated.

I have nothing against waiting longer or starting earlier it***8217;s just that once I start I am not planning to stop until I am one of the worlds***8217; best. I am planning to start my first cycle at 20; I am currently 18 with only two years experience lifting so by 20 I would have 4 years experience in the gym. I am 190 pounds with 17% body fat, given the rate I have been going at I can see myself at 20 being at least 210 pounds and 10% body fat.

My stats are (and please note my actual maximum might be higher as these stats are for 5 reps);
***8226; Bench press: 170 pounds
***8226; Squat: 310 pounds
***8226; Deadlift: 250 pounds

I train 4 days a week:
***8226; Tuesday: chest, lats and triceps
***8226; Thursday: legs
***8226; Saturday: biceps, shoulders and back
***8226; Sunday: legs (I train legs twice because I want to further increase my jump height)

I eat a minimum of 200g protein a day and am getting well over my calorie needs.

I have read that underage steroid use will have permanent negative effects on my body***8217;s HPTA and can cause stunted growth due to excess Estrogen through Testosterone aromatisation.
So my questions are:
1. If I was to take non aromatising orals and a good AI would I be able to minimise the effects of Estrogen on my growth?
2. Would the damage to my HPTA be negligible if I was to cycle on and off steroids indefinitely until I***8217;m old and grey and given up on bodybuilding?
3. And lastly if I hope to one day be like Ronnie Coleman and the other greats, if I waited until the recommended age of 25 would I still be able to make it or would I need the extra 5 years and start at 20 or even earlier assuming my diet and routine are on point?


Thanks

1) Good question i would know the answer to this too
2)depends from person to person

 

[Teutonic]

wow now that was wel written

WELCOME

No real exacting answer to this but 25 is a pretty standard answer given the general population. By that I mean your average gym rat...and only you can decide but I ll say your on the right track.

I ll only say this and let other s expand....if your as dedicated in say 2 or 3 years no one will be able to stop you.
Oral only cycle s are the WORSTE idea you have posted due to the nature of the route they have to take and how they reach blood plasma levels. Yes they are easier as there is no securing and hiding pins, no pinning etc...however even an oral only cycle will have to have hcg for a better hpa recovery so when u decide to run your first cycle which is always s the best cycle do it right and use inj test, w hcg, an ai and pct in use, on stand bye to use and to recover quickly.

I m sorry to not go further but I got 3 girl s to get to church....lord knows they need it.

Go slow and grow steadily as aas growth is 60-80 percent temporary...ESP W ORALS.

 

[hiram1st]

wow now that was wel written

WELCOME

No real exacting answer to this but 25 is a pretty standard answer given the general population. By that I mean your average gym rat...and only you can decide but I ll say your on the right track.

I ll only say this and let other s expand....if your as dedicated in say 2 or 3 years no one will be able to stop you.
Oral only cycle s are the WORSTE idea you have posted due to the nature of the route they have to take and how they reach blood plasma levels. Yes they are easier as there is no securing and hiding pins, no pinning etc...however even an oral only cycle will have to have hcg for a better hpa recovery so when u decide to run your first cycle which is always s the best cycle do it right and use inj test, w hcg, an ai and pct in use, on stand bye to use and to recover quickly.

I m sorry to not go further but I got 3 girl s to get to church....lord knows they need it.

Go slow and grow steadily as aas growth is 60-80 percent temporary...ESP W ORALS.

You can use a little touch from above to T.

 

[hiram1st]

You have plenty of natty potential left like T said 25 is a good age to start.

Read this thread and all its links an education you'll get for sure:
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a.../675497-ology-frequently-asked-questions.html

 

[JimiThing]

The main reason IMO 25 is the age most often recommended it that your hpta reaches is peak operation at that age as a general rule. It is thought that it is ,ost prudent to allow it to do so before shutting it down or suppressing it. Makes a lot of sense to me so that the guideline I like to subscribe too as well.
Ironically enough for me that happens to be the age that I began using aas myself. For me personally I can say I am glad it worked out that way. For my age I have excellent off cycle testosterone levels and perhaps that plays a role as to why.
To address your estrogen question the issue you will run into is this. many e2 related issues are not just from elevated estrogen, but an out of wack androgen/estrogen balance. Regardless of whether or ot the compounds you are taking aromatize or not it will be nearly impossible to keep your androgen/estrogen ratio where it should be making you unacceptable to many of the unhealthy e2 sides anyway.

 

[Teutonic]

I learn here every day; you jimi I DID NOT KNOW 25 was the generally accepted rule or agreed upon time when a individual s hpta is FULLY FORMED.

I L PUT THAT ON GEAR DUTY BELT TO FURTHER DISSUADE YUNG UN S NOT ALLOWING THEIR S TO DEELOP' RIGHT NEXT TO GROWTH PLATELETS ETC

 

[blackjack]

why does everyone seem to have such a hard time with this? 25! you young kids have more test in your body already than we are injecting! embrace it and make it work for you. live and learn a little. dont worry the drugs will always be there when youre older. should a 15 year old drink alcohol? no. its the same thing here. you have to wait and thats it. suck it up.

 

[cybrsage]

One of the big things is that injecting test into our body makes your body stop producing its own test. So if, for example, you already have 300mg worth of test in your body naturally, the first 300mg of test you inject do nothing but replace the test you lose due to injecting!! Let that sink in. When you inject, your body stops making its own test, so a bunch of the test you inject does nothing but replace what you USED TO HAVE before you started injecting.

In the early 20s, your body makes a FUCK TON of test naturally. It would be a huge waste of money to inject at that age as much of what you inject will simply put you back to where you were naturally.

 

[omgmike1]

One of the big things is that injecting test into our body makes your body stop producing its own test. So if, for example, you already have 300mg worth of test in your body naturally, the first 300mg of test you inject do nothing but replace the test you lose due to injecting!! Let that sink in. When you inject, your body stops making its own test, so a bunch of the test you inject does nothing but replace what you USED TO HAVE before you started injecting.

In the early 20s, your body makes a FUCK TON of test naturally. It would be a huge waste of money to inject at that age as much of what you inject will simply put you back to where you were naturally.

Are u telling me kids in the early 20s produce 300mg of test a week? Does any1 got some sort of proof for this because last time I was aware it was 50-75mg a week of test and 75 being on the higher sides... Maybe even dare I say 100. With TRT doses matching 125 a week? Makes no sense to me for 300. I even remember a mod on here posting some study about test decreasing on natural levels for every NEW generation of males. Pretty messed up stuff. SO IMO, No 20 year olds test can match 500mg of test E. This thought alone is what made me cycle earlier in my 20s.

The OP shouldnt be using AAS cause he doesnt know whats he doing naturally. First clue comes from him posting his lifts. Absoulty mixing up powerlifting and BB, ur split is bad. Why would u train legs twice and every other part once? if ur going to do legs twice, hit the rest twice. U need more than 4 days in the gym if u want to be a great thats for sure.

PS: don't try to be like Coleman, we know that man sold his soul to the devil for those genetics.

 

[srofa]

hey, thanks for all the advice ill take it to heart. Guess ill be waiting until 25 unless I see that im ready a bit earlier.

 

[juced_porkchop]

welcome! : )
wait till age 24-25 because not doing so can stop or mess up tour internal development...