Enanthate-only cycles

arby

Frank Zane
So I just picked up a copy of Chemical Muscle Enhancement by Author L. Rea and a few of the things that he has to say about testosterone have me very concerned. I was planning on running an enanthate-only first cycle, and already oredered my gear and everything.

Some of the advice I got on the boards (including this one) was that (a) testosterone is the "neccessary" ingredient in any stack, (b) 500mg was the minimum weekly dosage to see good gains and that (c) it was my choice whether or not I wanted to stack something like EQ with it, but that 400mg would be the minimum dosage for that.

I had decided to run 500mg by itself. With that said, he has this to say about post-cycle recovery off testosterone:

Testosterone enanthate notably suppressed HPTA function severely. HCG/Clomid were considered almost a must to stimulate normal endogeous (natural) testosterone production within a positive period of time at post use. My personal experience has been that if a cycle containing testosterone enanthate lasted longer than 6 weeks, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and usualy Clomid were introduced for 10 days beginning at the end of week #4. (5000 i.u. of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 3 times in 10 days usually normalized sperm and endogeous testosterone production to a respectable extent.) Without the use of HPTA stimulating compounds normalization did occur, only at a much slower rate. For this reason, gains made during "enanthate only" administratons were not well maintained after use was discontinued, and much was lost needlessly by most regardless.
Obviously I am going to be running clomid. But what about Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG)? He implies that even with those compounds, recovery off test alone is slow and gains are more than likely diminished. He also has this to say about enanthate only cycles:

Most novice steroid users should not use testosterone. Not only was it considered unneccessary, it would have been foolish to diminish possible later gains when more gentle Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) were no longer providing results at reasonable dosages.
Opinions? How credible is this?

RB
 
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I call bullshit on what he said about losing your gains from an Enanthate only cycle. Too many guys have done a cycle like that and got good keepable gains.
 
StoneColdNTO said:
I call bullshit on what he said about losing your gains from an Enanthate only cycle. Too many guys have done a cycle like that and got good keepable gains.

DITTO !
 
StoneColdNTO said:
I call bullshit on what he said about losing your gains from an Enanthate only cycle. Too many guys have done a cycle like that and got good keepable gains.




ill second that
 
Obivously Author L. Rea really doesn't know what in the hell he's talking about.

Nandrolones (for instance) will shut you down a lot harder than faster than testosterone...even though it's considered a much "gentler" steroid. This would be true of any steroid that has "progesterone like" effects.
 
BS.
Test is a good choice..
As for the suppression, complete suppression is possible even at low doses like 200 mg/week, which made LH undetectable in some studies...
You can use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) if needed, but not @ 5000 IU's ....

He also stated that tren causes low to moderate suppression, while test causes severe suppression which is complete BS..
 
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