Finaly convinced my friend to do some sauce!!!!

[Vanderlei]

The only problem this guy wants to do a Deca only cycle!!!!

It piss me off!!! He has the most gifted genetics I've ever seen in person!
He is 5'11", about 180lbs with a body fat of around 6% or 7%, 100% natural, not even creatine!!!

Everyone that meets him thinks hes done juice before because of the way he looks.

Hes diet is totaly shitty also, he eats pizza, burgers, fries and shakes all the time and still walks around with a six pak without even flexing his stomach, BASTARD

Anyhow, after years telling him that he has perfect genetics and he should AT LEAST try one cycle he finaly said yes, but only because after 12 years of training Jiu Jitsu his body is hurting real bad and I told him about the "pain free" work outs on Deca

So now he wants to take it, I encourage him to do some test with it, but he says he dosen't care about getting any bigger, he only wants to get some relief on his tendons and joints.

How can I convince him to do some test!!!!

later guys

 

[DirkMoneyshot]

5'11 and 180 lb - and he's the most genetically gifted person you've seen???

You need to get out more.

 

[Eze]

I didn't read your post, but from the title here is my response:

You shouldn't have to convince someone to take drugs. If they decide it should be their own choice, not peer pressure. How would you feel if something goes wrong and he gets sick?

 

[Spartie]

Very true! Gear use is a serious decision that is not to be taken lightly nor forced down someone's throat. Remember we are altering the hormonal balance and thus processes of our bodies. It is not an exact science either, as everyone reacts differently. Use of Juice is a serious commitment as well, there is no turning back after 4 weeks of Deca injects without some sort of repurcussion and possible sides from jumping off a long-estered form of AAS. I assume he needs more info and I suggest that he wait awhile before taking the plunge.

 

[Bast]

Im with all of the above, bro 180lbs aint nothing! Do you guys workout in youre seller or what?
And if you talk youre friends into doing as youre stupid.

 

[Vanderlei]

Well, is not like "I forced down his throat", I just been telling him for years and he has always been kind of on the fence about it, not because of side effects but because he is cheap as hell!!!

"5'11 and 180 lb - and he's the most genetically gifted person you've seen???

You need to get out more."

Well, you have to see this dude bro, he does not look 180 AT ALL! And what I mean by genetics is the fact that he has NEVER taken any supplement or drugs and he is by far the muscular, not the biggest, guy I've ever seen in person that has never taken nothing. I know that i'm not tripping, because dozens of times people on our circle of friends have "accused" him of juicing and no matter how much je dennies he ca't convince anyone otherwise.

I told him to get in this forum, but he hates the internet and I told him to pick up a book like "steroids 101" or something like it but he dosen't want to spend the money.

I know that doing a Deca only cycle can have some weird side's, but I don't know exacly what, thats why I wanted him to take a little test with it, besides the fact that he'll get a little bigger and stronger on the prosses.

Well, what is the best way to explain to this guy how to do his first cycle.

 

[tee]

First off, if he wants to do a cycle, make him read and look up the info himself. You can assist him, but make him do his own research. If he is too cheap to buy a book or get on the internet, steroids arent for him. Anyone that is willing to put any drug into their system without knowing shit about it is a moron.

Deca only will give him a limp dick. A first cycle should be test only for many reasons.

 

[steel59]

I know that doing a Deca only cycle can have some weird side's, but I don't know exacly what, thats why I wanted him to take a little test with it, besides the fact that he'll get a little bigger and stronger on the prosses.

Well, what is the best way to explain to this guy how to do his first cycle.

Lol... Telling him about your "pain-free" Deca workouts... So you talked him into doing a cycle... He wants Deca only and then you follow with I know doing a deca cycle can have weird sides but you are not sure exactly what. Howbout you help this dude out and print out all the pages of solid members on this board advising against it.... he can read that for free.

List of possible Deca sides.... Limp noodle (will probably happen with no test), Bitch tits (not correctable by regular anti-e's), Acne (systic ones that can cause scars), abcess (improper injection techniques --- cause he doesn't know what he's doing),

Best be dude.... if your boy his havin pain issues related to MMA... tell him to pop some advil until he really reads up on all kinds of AAS... then he can make his own decisions and not follow your cloudy guidence.

 

[Vanderlei]

Lol... Telling him about your "pain-free" Deca workouts... So you talked him into doing a cycle... He wants Deca only and then you follow with I know doing a deca cycle can have weird sides but you are not sure exactly what. Howbout you help this dude out and print out all the pages of solid members on this board advising against it.... he can read that for free.

List of possible Deca sides.... Limp noodle (will probably happen with no test), Bitch tits (not correctable by regular anti-e's), Acne (systic ones that can cause scars), abcess (improper injection techniques --- cause he doesn't know what he's doing),

Best be dude.... if your boy his havin pain issues related to MMA... tell him to pop some advil until he really reads up on all kinds of AAS... then he can make his own decisions and not follow your cloudy guidence.

I guess you're right, I'll print some stuff up from here, i had not tought about that.
Anyhow, when I did Deca a wile back it help me out with old injures I had from BJJ training.

Thanks for the advise guys.

 

[daan69]

Hes diet is totaly shitty also, he eats pizza, burgers, fries and shakes all the time and still walks around with a six pak without even flexing his stomach, BASTARD

Damn.... stomach muscles??? he must be huge!

He is skinny... and i am guessing that he is in his teens since his metabolism hasnt slowed yet, and he can still maintain a low bf % from eating junk food.

which means that your probably in your mid teens too

dont try to convince anyone to start taking steroids... if they want to get bigger, they will find a way. All you can do is point him in the right direction if he decides that is what he wants to do (without your input).

 

[Mudge]

Why would you convince anyone to do that? Especially WITH A SHITTY DIET?

I've seen guys who were 205, relatively lean, 5'8" and not lift a damn thing.

Steroids are a personal choice, I dont push shit on anyone. If he decides to continue I hope he takes a look at his health. Steroids can and will affect your cholestrol, and we already know he eats like shit, good going "friend."

 

[Mudge]

Well, is not like "I forced down his throat", I just been telling him for years and he has always been kind of on the fence about it, not because of side effects but because he is cheap as hell!!!

So you didn't stick the pin in his ass, but you resorted to slow "brainwash." I see.

How about encouraging him to eat better first? The guy could be in pain from malnutrition. If he has joint problems and he isn't manufacturing collagen because of his diet guess how you fix it? Diet, and supplements if he chooses - NOT DRUGS.

 

[Vanderlei]

I think a 34 year old man can make his own decision. As far as "brainwashing" I wish I could brainwash people that easly, id be a rich man today.

Eating better is something I've been telling him for just about as long as know him, over 12 years.

And to top it off you may not "push" it to anyone but I'm sure you talked positively about it to your friends, just like I have.

I never had a bad experience with it, neither did the few guys I know that have juiced, so why would I tell him NOT to do it???

You guys are acting as if you never encourage someone to do a cycle, I have a real hard time buying that one, after all you are posting in a STEROID forum!

 

[DirkMoneyshot]

I can without a doubt say i've never EVER encouraged anyone to do a cycle -

No one knows what i really do other then my GF and i never talk about it outside of the house. Why ask for problems.

 

[Vanderlei]

Good for you, I on the other hand talk to my close friends a little more open.
I'm sure you are a "saint" and would never EVER do anything like tell your friends how great of results you out of steroids when you did it, but you have no problem telling thousands of people on a open forum.
If you think that badly of them, why don't ad "Steroids are bad for you, DON"T DO THEM" in the signature part of your posts.
Please, spare me the moral pep talk, you are all here for one reason. You juice, you like it and you encourage others to do it also.
You can all make whatever excuses you want to, but forums like this are not only exellent information devices and help a lot of people not to make mistakes, but they also encourage and motivate people to do drugs, period.
So as long as you are posting here, you are in fact encouraging people to take steroids, plain and simple.
If you are not a part of the solution, you are part of the problem

Take care guys.

 

[phatboy]

Good for you, I on the other hand talk to my close friends a little more open.
I'm sure you are a "saint" and would never EVER do anything like tell your friends how great of results you out of steroids when you did it, but you have no problem telling thousands of people on a open forum.
If you think that badly of them, why don't ad "Steroids are bad for you, DON"T DO THEM" in the signature part of your posts.
Please, spare me the moral pep talk, you are all here for one reason. You juice, you like it and you encourage others to do it also.
You can all make whatever excuses you want to, but forums like this are not only exellent information devices and help a lot of people not to make mistakes, but they also encourage and motivate people to do drugs, period.
So as long as you are posting here, you are in fact encouraging people to take steroids, plain and simple.
If you are not a part of the solution, you are part of the problem

Take care guys.

 

[Vanderlei]

 

[Swoleburn]

I honestly think a grown man can make his own decision on whether or not to juice. If he was brainwashed into taking steroids then he has more problems than just juicing. As long as you give him the positives and negatives on using then fuck it.

 

[Vanderlei]

You right about that. I never had a negative, all positives, i told him about gyno, agression, acne, impotence and all the more harsh stuff. The only thing it confused me was about doing a Deca only cycle and the hole limp dick shit.
I've done Deca only before and so did 2 other guys I've know, and they didn't run in to this problem.

 

[steel59]

I've done Deca only before and so did 2 other guys I've know, and they didn't run in to this problem.

the longer you run it the greater the chance is that you will run into this side effect... I'm sure dosage plays a role too.... but all in all its just a matter of time...