First cycle plan Test400 8wks

[francosiciliano]

Im trying to work my way back to 185 which I was at naturally before an injury that dropped my weight down to 160 2yrs ago. Im at 167 right now an pretty lean probably 10-12%bf. I will post a pix from 3months ago when I was 172. For some reason I can't seem to gain any mass right now and actually lost a few Ibs in the last 3months. My plan is to do a short 8wk cycle of test 400 (cyponate/enanthate combo). Id do it longer (12wks at most) but Im going to be out of the country for a wk and wont be able to pct since I don't want to carry anything through security at the airport. I don't expect to get back to 185 in 8wks but I just want to move back in that direction.

1-8 test400- 300mg x2 per wk
1-8 hcg 250x2 per wk
1-8 arimadex .25 eod (should this go to wk 10?)
10-14 clomid 80/40/40/40
10-14 nolva 40/20/20/20

The reason why im doing test 400 and not cyponate or enanthate by themselves is because from what I have read they are similar and I will have to inject less quantity per injection for a higher dose of product.

 

[francosiciliano]

these are from November 2015 View attachment 564057View attachment 564058

 

[tbonexl]

Hmmm, a lot wrong here...

Your choice of esters wouldn't be logical to run for only 8 weeks. They fully kick in at the 6 week mark roughly. Not sure why you aren't running your ai or hcg up to pct. Again, long esters so you'll still have elevated test levels. If you aren't gaining weight off cycle most likely your diet needs addressed. If your diet isn't dialed in, you will lose whatever gains you do get during pct most likely.

If you only have 8 weeks to run a cycle, you would be better off pinning test prop eod. Read the ology faq's thread...

 

[Roush]

a couple of points and things to consider .

Test dosed at 400 mg / 1Ml is going to bring on some major Pip. I don't see the point in test 400 dosed that high and the mixture of test cypionate and test E .. just go with one or the other dosed at 200-250 mg/1ml and pin it twice a week.

If your leaving the country for only one week, that is not a big deal you don't need to bring anything with you anyways , just pin 500 mg before you leave, , then return to your normal pinning protocol when you get back.

12 weeks of test at 500 mg per week and good training and diet should put you back at 185 no problem .. muscle memory is a wonderful thing, if you were 185 pounds before, your body will know how to get right back there.

imo, 8 weeks of test at only 400 mg per week, , like you planned , is not a good idea especially with a long ester like cypionate . If you want to run a short cycle because of ease of recovery ,, then you need to blast a high amount of test propionate every other day for 8 weeks, or, extend the cycle to 12 weeks like i suggest above.

 

[Big_rich]

I believe 10 weeks is a great spot so run it 2 more weeks. I'd stick with one or the other as they are pretty much the same. I have ran test numerous times and saying it takes 6 weeks to kick is false 4 weeks five tops. 6 plus weeks is more on point with eq not test. OK and for the Arimidex are you gyno prone it's good to have on hand but why take it if you don't need it Only run it If u feel the need to. I see so many times people just keep repeating what they see on forums but it is not real world experience. every one is different and responds different so to say u will need a ai is not good advice you have it on hand incase. Good pct protocol alot of people say it's overkill running both nolvadex abd clomid but I disagree. I believe pct is the most important part of the cycle and more thought should b put into recovery than the actual cycle itself. Now not bashing you or anything but if you cannot gain weight without the use of anabolic you need to look more into your diet and training than what compounds to take because if you don't know how to eat to maintain your new muscle you will loose most of what you gain anyways Good luck

 

[francosiciliano]

Im more worried about missing taking the HCG and even more the arimidex for that week that Im out of country. Let's say I use cyponate for 12wks and start the cycle so I pin my last time shortly before leaving. I will be starting the pct a week after I get back but I still wont be able to run AI up to the start of my pct. Also I chose test400 cause every where I read that cyponate or enanthate should be used in a first cycle. Thx for the advice so far.

 

[Milton]

I believe 10 weeks is a great spot so run it 2 more weeks. I'd stick with one or the other as they are pretty much the same. I have ran test numerous times and saying it takes 6 weeks to kick is false 4 weeks five tops. 6 plus weeks is more on point with eq not test. OK and for the Arimidex are you gyno prone it's good to have on hand but why take it if you don't need it Only run it If u feel the need to. I see so many times people just keep repeating what they see on forums but it is not real world experience. every one is different and responds different so to say u will need a ai is not good advice you have it on hand incase. Good pct protocol alot of people say it's overkill running both nolvadex abd clomid but I disagree. I believe pct is the most important part of the cycle and more thought should b put into recovery than the actual cycle itself. Now not bashing you or anything but if you cannot gain weight without the use of anabolic you need to look more into your diet and training than what compounds to take because if you don't know how to eat to maintain your new muscle you will loose most of what you gain anyways Good luck

Welcome to the forums Big_rich! It would be great if you could start your own thread and introduced yourself so we can all know you a little better, thanks!

 

[tbonexl]

I believe 10 weeks is a great spot so run it 2 more weeks. I'd stick with one or the other as they are pretty much the same. I have ran test numerous times and saying it takes 6 weeks to kick is false 4 weeks five tops. 6 plus weeks is more on point with eq not test. OK and for the Arimidex are you gyno prone it's good to have on hand but why take it if you don't need it Only run it If u feel the need to. I see so many times people just keep repeating what they see on forums but it is not real world experience. every one is different and responds different so to say u will need a ai is not good advice you have it on hand incase. Good pct protocol alot of people say it's overkill running both nolvadex abd clomid but I disagree. I believe pct is the most important part of the cycle and more thought should b put into recovery than the actual cycle itself. Now not bashing you or anything but if you cannot gain weight without the use of anabolic you need to look more into your diet and training than what compounds to take because if you don't know how to eat to maintain your new muscle you will loose most of what you gain anyways Good luck

This is horrible advice for using an ai...

 

[Milton]

Im more worried about missing taking the HCG and even more the arimidex for that week that Im out of country. Let's say I use cyponate for 12wks and start the cycle so I pin my last time shortly before leaving. I will be starting the pct a week after I get back but I still wont be able to run AI up to the start of my pct. Also I chose test400 cause every where I read that cyponate or enanthate should be used in a first cycle. Thx for the advice so far.

Stick with tbonexl advice here!

 

[Roush]

Im more worried about missing taking the HCG and even more the arimidex for that week that Im out of country. Let's say I use cyponate for 12wks and start the cycle so I pin my last time shortly before leaving. I will be starting the pct a week after I get back but I still wont be able to run AI up to the start of my pct. Also I chose test400 cause every where I read that cyponate or enanthate should be used in a first cycle. Thx for the advice so far.

you can get by running hcg once per week , so you just take a shot before you leave and then another when you get back . the Arimidex just take a pill before you leave, sneak two little pills in your bags to take while your gone and you'll be fine .. or even if you missed a couple AI doses that last week, it won't hurt you much as long as you were on top of your AI protocol and managing E2 the majority of the cycle.

yes Test E or Test C is the best choice for a first cycle , however test 400 is not recommended . why not? Because the dosing is way way to harsh, your virgin muscles that your going to be pinning with juice for the first time are going to be sore as hell with just a standard dosing of Test , let alone with Test 400 ,, even seasoned vets get horrible PIP with test 400 , , so a virgin is probably not even going to be able to walk straight for a week after pinning it the first time, that's just not a good experience for a first cycle

 

[Big_rich]

I know alot of people that have no estrogen side effects at all so have no need to take an ai. you are speaking from person experience saying my advice is bad because I bet you are gyno prone. Would you agree estrogen is needed dropping estrogen to low is a bad thing. Ais can take away from a cycle. That's like saying take tylenol daily to keep head aches away no u use tylenol when needed to stop headaches. It's funny how people feel they know alot from reading the crap they see on forums. All my advice is from personal experiences which is 100 times more valuable then what you read in a book. So if you want to follow tbonex go ahead you should probably run letro along side the adex because you need to kill every bit of estrogen according to tbonex. Because it's what he read is what you do. Same person that stated test kicks at week 6 dumb dumb well good luck bro