First Cycle - Test E only for about 12 weeks and post cycle therapy (pct) nolvadex - Help

[reptile33]

First Cycle - Test E only for about 12 weeks and PCT nolvadex - Help

Hi guys,
I was going to start Anavar only as my first cycle but now after doing more research and reading the stickies I am thinking of doing a TEST E only cycle as my first cycle. This is what I am thinking of:

Weeks 1-12 Testosterone enanthate 500mg per week(250mg on Tuesday and 250 mg on Friday)

PCT 14 days after the last pin
Nolvadex - 20mg/day for maybe 3 weeks?

That's it, pretty simple, I know Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is not required so didn't put that. My biggest worry is gyno as I feel I might be get that (weird reason, maybe because of the shape of my chest).

An FYI: I am 34 years old, 6 feet and 203 pounds right now, probably around 15% bodyfat, have been lifting for 16 years.

Please let me know if I should change this or if this is okay for a basic beginners cycle, also pretty cheap I guess...

 

[imdennis]

go do more research where your ai? why not clomid... clomid is more helpful then nolva..., just because Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is not required doesn't mean you shouldn't run it.. it helps you recover when u come off which leads you to keeping more gains.. sorry home boy but you're not ready

 

[Rumpy]

Add an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) while one cycle. I like adex at 1/2mg E3D or EOD as needed. 14 dyas is a minimum for PCT, 15-18 is good for test E. Run your PCT for 3 weeks, and add 50mg/day of Clomid, So 20mg Nolva AND 50mg Clomid ED for 4 weeks.

 

[DreDay187]

Hi guys,
I was going to start Anavar only as my first cycle but now after doing more research and reading the stickies I am thinking of doing a TEST E only cycle as my first cycle. This is what I am thinking of:

Weeks 1-12 Testosterone enanthate 500mg per week(250mg on Tuesday and 250 mg on Friday)

PCT 14 days after the last pin
Nolvadex - 20mg/day for maybe 3 weeks?

That's it, pretty simple, I know Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is not required so didn't put that. My biggest worry is gyno as I feel I might be get that (weird reason, maybe because of the shape of my chest).

An FYI: I am 34 years old, 6 feet and 203 pounds right now, probably around 15% bodyfat, have been lifting for 16 years.

Please let me know if I should change this or if this is okay for a basic beginners cycle, also pretty cheap I guess...

1) you will need an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) for on cycle estrogen management

2) Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) should be considered a must for any suppressive cycle

3) PCT should include both Nolva and clomid

4) the shape of your chest has nothing to do with the development of gynecomastia

5) you're results will be primarily dictated by your diet and training so make sure those are suited to your goals before starting the cycle.

 

[reptile33]

1) you will need an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) for on cycle estrogen management

2) Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) should be considered a must for any suppressive cycle

3) PCT should include both Nolva and clomid

4) the shape of your chest has nothing to do with the development of gynecomastia

5) you're results will be primarily dictated by your diet and training so make sure those are suited to your goals before starting the cycle.

Thanks to the other 2 posts above this also, yeah I should've added an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), I guess arimidex is the best and most mild I guess? I'll add that to my arsenal, I will see if I can get my hands on Clomid also but by chest shape I guess I meant I kinda feel like I already have a very small lump under so maybe I have some already, this is my first cycle though of test E only.

Thanks

 

[DreDay187]

Thanks to the other 2 posts above this also, yeah I should've added an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), I guess arimidex is the best and most mild I guess? I'll add that to my arsenal, I will see if I can get my hands on Clomid also but by chest shape I guess I meant I kinda feel like I already have a very small lump under so maybe I have some already, this is my first cycle though of test E only.

Thanks

Pubertal gyno is not uncommon but you'd know a lump when you felt it. As for AI's experiment with all of them and find out which one works best for you with estrogen suppression, convenience of dosing, price, etc. I'm using adex now but will try aromasin at some point in the future. Look at the red lion logo at the top of the forum. They have clomid if necessary.

 

[Alpin]

4) the shape of your chest has nothing to do with the development of gynecomastia

What do you mean?
Tell us more. If ones "pecs" or breasts are not sore, how is the estrogen elevation going to cause the gyno?
Keeping E2 low while on high Test, could help with depression...
estrogen levels go up I heard people can get depressed.

 

[reptile33]

Yeah am strongly thinking of an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), m having some trouble finding arimidex or aromasin, my source said maybe I can use masteron instead as kind of an estrogen blocker and then use a post cycle therapy (pct) after, what do u guys think for a test e only cycle?

 

[Rumpy]

Yeah am strongly thinking of an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), m having some trouble finding arimidex or aromasin, my source said maybe I can use masteron instead as kind of an estrogen blocker and then use a post cycle therapy (pct) after, what do u guys think for a test e only cycle?

You can get it from RUI at the top of the page

 

[danizunzun]

Would Arimidex be the best Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to use?

 

[Rumpy]

Would Arimidex be the best Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to use?

It's all I've ever used, no reason, just what I started with and never switched. I think Adex or Aromasin are about the same, dosage is different, but they're equally effective. Get whatever is cheaper or easier to find.

 

[reptile33]

You can get it from RUI at the top of the page

I am in Canada though, do they ship to Canada? I don't really want any issues across the border.

 

[Rumpy]

I am in Canada though, do they ship to Canada? I don't really want any issues across the border.

You can get it from AML or just about any place you can get the rest of your gear.

 

[reptile33]

You can get it from AML or just about any place you can get the rest of your gear.

Nice, I just saw their site and they have like 50% off for first time customers who buy a certain amount. I don't know if I have the right site though, can you or someone else on this forum PM their site so I know I have the right one?

 

[Rumpy]

Nice, I just saw their site and they have like 50% off for first time customers who buy a certain amount. I don't know if I have the right site though, can you or someone else on this forum PM their site so I know I have the right one?

OMG, Kids these days. Yes, that's it.

 

[reptile33]

OMG, Kids these days. Yes, that's it.

Great thanks Rumpy, I have been reading up on Adex and Aromasin and am a little confused which to use? Since I am doing a test e only cycle at 500mg a week for 12 weeks which should I do? I can do Aromasin at 12.5mg per day up to my PCT (or throughout), or do A'dex from the start of my cycle at 0.5mg to 1mg 2X per week?
I will do either Nolva/Clomid or just one for my PCT.

 

[Rumpy]

Great thanks Rumpy, I have been reading up on Adex and Aromasin and am a little confused which to use? Since I am doing a test e only cycle at 500mg a week for 12 weeks which should I do? I can do Aromasin at 12.5mg per day up to my post cycle therapy (pct) (or throughout), or do A'dex from the start of my cycle at 0.5mg to 1mg 2X per week?
I will do either Nolva/Clomid or just one for my post cycle therapy (pct).

Nolva and Clomid both for post cycle therapy (pct). Nolva at 20mg and Clomid at 50mg ED for 4 weeks. Start 15-18 days after last test pin.

Adex and Aromasin are equally effective, so it really doesn't matter which one you choose. I personally run Adex at 1/2mg E3D to EOD as needed. Which ever one you use, start with a lower dose and increase it at the first sign of itchy or puffy nipples. the signs of too much estrogen are hard to miss, but if you over do the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and crush your E, the signs are less obvious.

 

[reptile33]

Nolva and Clomid both for post cycle therapy (pct). Nolva at 20mg and Clomid at 50mg ED for 4 weeks. Start 15-18 days after last test pin.

Adex and Aromasin are equally effective, so it really doesn't matter which one you choose. I personally run Adex at 1/2mg E3D to EOD as needed. Which ever one you use, start with a lower dose and increase it at the first sign of itchy or puffy nipples. the signs of too much estrogen are hard to miss, but if you over do the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and crush your E, the signs are less obvious.

Okay great, so since they are pretty much the same I might do the Adex since it is a little cheaper in the sense that for Aromasin you run it at 12.5mg ed and at this dosage is good for 30 days only? Unless that can also be taken e3d to eod? The one I can get is 60 caps at 6.25mg each, whereas Adex is 2.5mg per ml (20 ml total) so at around 1.5mg per week (0.5mg e3d to eod) can last up to 33 times.

 

[reptile33]

Another thing I am considering to help kick start my first cycle is some tbol - maybe weeks 1-4 at 60mg ed, should I just do weeks 1-4 and that's it or I've seen some people add it also at the end of their cycle from weeks 9-13.
So weeks 1-12 test e 500mg/week
tbol 60 mg ed weeks 1-4
tbol 60 mg ed weeks 9-13
adex 0.5mg e3d to eod weeks 1-12

PCT
Nolva 20mg ed weeks 14-17
Clomid 50mg ed weeks 14-17

Or maybe I just do tbol for the first 4 weeks of my cycle only and keep the rest the same?