First tren/deca/test cycle

[GaStrongman]

I'm posting for my brother, He is currently active duty and not where he can get on the internet so I'm doing the research for him. He has a couple of months left on his contract and intends to run when he is out. He is getting ready to run is first cycle with tren and deca. He has run a few cycles with test e and followed the pct protocols already.

Stats

6'0
230-235ish
12-15% BF
Strongman Competitor and active duty marine.

Week 1-4
Test E 200mg
Deca 200mg
Tren E 100mg

Week 5-8
Test E 300mg
Deca 300mg
Tren E 150mg

Week 9-12
Test E 400mg
Deca 400mg
Tren E 300mg

For PCT there's a lot of debate from what ive read on Tamox vs Torem...so we haven't decided which one to use. Also plan on running clomid. I can move that to the pct forum if necessary..but if someone can answer what the dosing protocol should be and which of the two to use that would be awesome. thanks.

 

[3J]

what is his cycle history?

 

[GaStrongman]

2 cycles of test e with an AI first cycle was 10wks second was 12wks. not sure which AI he was using.

 

[GaStrongman]

Also looking at adding hcg during the cycle...ive seen people saying to run it thru the entire cycle and then people saying just to bring it in at the end...and the dosages they are recommending are inconsistent as hell...as is the case with most of the bro science posts you find about these things. what and when should he run when it comes to hcg or is it even necessary with the cycle and his stats?

 

[tbonexl]

Being that all 3 compounds are long esters, it's pointless to taper up. Just run em all at the dose dezired throughout. I will say that deca plus tren is difficult at best to pull off. I would recommend just running deca around 200mgs per week max. Very difficult to dial in ai and da with 2 19-nors. Most would not recommend running them together. I personally don't think your brother has thd experience to try this cycle out. I would recommend deca with test. If you can't grow on those 2 compounds, your doing something wrong...

 

[Old Duffer]

Being that all 3 compounds are long esters, it's pointless to taper up. Just run em all at the dose dezired throughout. I will say that deca plus tren is difficult at best to pull off. I would recommend just running deca around 200mgs per week max. Very difficult to dial in ai and da with 2 19-nors. Most would not recommend running them together. I personally don't think your brother has thd experience to try this cycle out. I would recommend deca with test. If you can't grow on those 2 compounds, your doing something wrong...

This.

Pick one 19nor, save the other for next go. Screw the taper cuz it's enanthate. No experience yet but if tren, keep test lower than and with either have caber on hand.

In fact I'll repeat the mantra: have it all in hand before starting & bloodwork, bloodwork, bloodwork.

 

[GaStrongman]

The gear is a mix from Pharmacom...it is already on hand as is the arimidex that I forgot to include in the post. The dose is 200/200/100 per cc. So the test will always be half of the other two. If the taper is pointless then I suppose the only remaining question is the cycle duration being long enough and the pct protocol. After more research I'm thinking about running the hcg at 250ui e4d 14 days after the first pin until the end of cycle before pct. how does that sound?

 

[GaStrongman]

That is exactly what we're trying to accomplish. The gear is left from a promotion I got and I have plenty of arimidex that I am giving him with it. The only pieces left are the hcg, clomi do, and Torem. The gear is a mix from a very reputable lab...I won't mention the name because I'm new to the forum and not sure on how that's taken here...but the dose is 200/200/100 so the test will always be half of the other two. After some reading I am thinking 250iu of hcg e4d 14 days after the first pin through the cycle endin before pct. how does that sound?

 

[Old Duffer]

I understand the "I've already got this mix and don't want to waste it" logic. Not always the best decision but I'm a cheap bastage and I'd run it too if I had it on hand.

I'd run the HCG thru the while blast. Once you start shooting test, your natty system will shut down and the berries will whither.

Do not run the HCG thru PCT is what I've read. Im on TRT so does not apply to me but it doe to you'all

If you keep the ai at proper levels you won't have issues, but wisdom says get some caber anyway. Lactating sux!

The stickies spell out nolva/clomid PCT cycles and start times depending or what you take. Read them. Follow them. Recover safely.

Get some liver support supps. Two 19nors will beat the shiz out of your liver.

Lastly imo, I'd go easy on the mgs but plan on a 14 week cycle (give or take). Keep in mind that the tren alone is 5 times the effect of the test, so for Exa if you do 1/2 ml twice a week.... that's 100mg test, an effective 1000mgs test from the tren, PLUS the effects of the deca! That's huge (for an amateur like me anyway)

Be careful, be safe

 

[JimiThing]

No taper.
HCG 250iu's - 2x/week. Stop 3 days pre pct
Best of luck.

 

[GaStrongman]

Awesome. Thanks guys...I use the RUI liquid prami so that will probably be what he ends up with.

 

[Captain_Fun_Dicks]

Deca should be front loaded or ran 20+ weeks. Tren E at 300mg ew, what's the point?


Go with NPP and up that tren.

 

[3J]

so he has only done 2 cycles of test e and you guys are recommending he runs tren??

come on guys..

OP, i recommend he runs deca instead... he should hold off on the tren

 

[GaStrongman]

I'm not recommending he run tren...he has decided to run tren on his own volition. He's set on doing it so I figure its better to help him do it properly than repeat the robotic anti-tren response and let him run it wrong and have his balls shrivel up into raisins.