Front-loading

The principle sounds good but I've heard different opinions on it. I going to give it a try on my next cycle.

JohnnyB
 
I believe it is definitley a good idea for longer esters like ethanate, deca, or EQ. Some may say that if you use anadrol or dbol to "kickstart" the cycle, it is not needed, but that is not necassarily the point. We are trying to get week one's blood levels of Test, Deca, or EQ the same as week two, week three, so on. Not just drugs in general, dbol is not any of those three compounds. So we double the dose, and in theory, the higher the single dose, the faster the intial release. So if we frontload with 1 gram of Test, we should, in theory, have 500mg of test available for our bodies week 1, and we shoot 500 on week two, it should be fairly even.
 
Posted by Blade at CEM.

Frontloading is best achieved on day 1 IMO, unless the dosage is excessive. The below graphic is a 900mg injection on day1, then 325mg every 3rd day - stable plasma levels at a mean level of 750mg. With 250mg/ml enanthate, it shouldn't be a problem.
 
From same thread.

double the normal injection dosage for the first 2 weeks - which also incidentally requires 1250mg more for those two weeks compared to a single injection on day 1
 
Those have nothing to do with plasma levels. The y-axis is in mg of drug administered, that is not the same as plasma levels. You just can plot it like that. (i know you didnt post it jonny)


The point of FL is to build up steady state plasma levels faster. Not to make it kick in faster, as it will still take time anyways..but yes it is faster from the plasma levels reaching the higher point faster.
 
The goal is to get blood levels up TO max therapeutic levels quicker, but you have to be careful not to front load too much, or you'll have higher levels of ACTIVE hormone during this time than during the regular cycle, which again is not the purpose of front-loading.

So…… that being said, if your cycle is going to be 500 mg/wk of Enanthate, how much would you have to front load ? and over what time period ?
 
StoneColdNTO said:
The goal is to get blood levels up TO max therapeutic levels quicker, but you have to be careful not to front load too much, or you'll have higher levels of ACTIVE hormone during this time than during the regular cycle, which again is not the purpose of front-loading.

So…… that being said, if your cycle is going to be 500 mg/wk of Enanthate, how much would you have to front load ? and over what time period ?
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Thats what I meant by the steady state plasma levels. You can "over-frontload" but I dont think its exatly detrimental in anyway besides the dip in levels once youd lower dosage.

I do it like this with enanthate.

say I run XXX amount

wks 1 I run 2 * XXX
wks 2-3 I run 1.5 * XXX

Ex 600mg--> 1200 wks 1, 900 wks 1&2


With Deca though, I pretty much go 1.5 * XXX for the first 4 or 5 wks, as Deca is even slower at rising to steady plasma levels. I could use the above formula, but I am more leary with Deca since Aromasin isnt very effective with its sides.
 
Thanks Billy !!

I guess another point to consider, is........ it is probably not a good idea to front load a compound that you have never done before. I'd want to make pretty damn sure I was not susceptible to gyno before front loading a bunch of Test for example.

In other words I would not recommend it for a first cycle.
 
i really think for something like ethanate, week 1, day one you double the dose. I dont see a real need to use a higher dose weeks 2 and 3, you will have a tremendous build up in weeks 4 and 5 of blood levels, unless that is what you are trying to accomplish.
 
When it comes to Enathate I wouldn't front load w/ it. I would use Prop in the first few weeks along w/ Ethanate.

1-12 500mg Ethanate
1 Week 100mg Prop ED
2-3 100mg EOD

then I would let Enathate take over...
 
Adding prop in the beginning, by all technicall means is the exact same things as frontloading. Its raising your plasma levels up much faster.
 
I know Billy....I said when it comes to Enathate I wouldn't front load w/ it...

I would much rather use Prop to front load. I think that would work better w/ out put that much water gain.
 
i always was wondering what would happen if you frount loaded, i will have to try it on my next cycle. but would frount loading be nescessary with npp deca, tren, and prop, since they all have short esters?
 
jarbulldog said:
i always was wondering what would happen if you frount loaded, i will have to try it on my next cycle. but would frount loading be nescessary with npp deca, tren, and prop, since they all have short esters?
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IMO....it makes no sense to FL short esters.
 
i definitely felt a big difference when i frontloaded sustanon on my second cycle. i shot a gram during the first week and then continued with 500mg EW. i was gaining by the end of the first week as opposed to by the end of the fourth week. third cycle i frontloaded decca 600mg for two weeks and then ran half the dose for 14 weeks. definitely felt it kicking in before 5 weeks. and hell, my nuts were gone by the time it was supposed to barely be kicking in. i know alot of it can be blamed on placebo effect but i really dont think so. i think frontloading is a solid practice if you are in a hurry to gain and using a long etser. of course this is just my opinion based on two experiences and the second time i wasnt running enough decca to actually feel anything spectacular, just doing a low mg cutter to see what a minimum effective dose would be. for all you bros with more experience cycling i think it would be good for you to do a couple cycles frontloading, i think you will come to the same conclusions though.
 
I started my recent cycle today (winter "bulker") and frontloaded my Test Enan. I doubled the dosage for this first week, and will inject 1.5 times the "normal" dose for the second week, then weeks 3-14 I will inject my "normal" dosage. I will let you know how it goes, as this is my first time frontloading in over 12 years of cycling! The theory sounds solid for long esters, and this post gave me the idea to go ahead with it. We shall see if it works for me...I will keep you posted!

This cycle - Winter Bulker (started today - 1/3/05):

Weeks 1-12: Deca 600mg/per week
Weeks 1-14: Testosterone Enanthate 1 Gram/per week
Weeks 1-14: Proviron 25mg/per day
Weeks 1-16: HCG 250iu/twice a week inject
Weeks 1-7: Anadrol 50mg/per day (bump to 100mg at week 2 if poor results)
Weeks 7-14: Trenbolone Acetate 75mg/EOD
 
I front loaded 1200mgs of EQ for two weeks and didn't notice one bit of difference between that and doing 600mgs throughout.
 
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