First I like to thank all U bros for all the helpful info, but I'm still not settled on how much test I should use. My stats are 6' 220 solid 30 years old ,first cycle, been working out of and on for 12 years. So far I'm thinking of doing 300mg/deca and 250/1amp of Sustanon (sust) per week for 10 weeks following with some clomid and nolva on hand.Please crique.Thanx
How much test? First cycle
- Thread starter pappapump
- Start date
nekrawulf
New member
I am a huge proponent for not overly saturating the androgen receptors, esp on a first cycle. Esp at yuor age, you dont know how your body will respond to a largely increased level of testosterone.
I would use a little dicipline, hold on to the deca and save it for a second cycle...asuming that you like the results from your first experience with AAS.
Dont try to fall too deep into the well before you really know what it holds
I would use a little dicipline, hold on to the deca and save it for a second cycle...asuming that you like the results from your first experience with AAS.
Dont try to fall too deep into the well before you really know what it holds
StoneColdNTO
Administrator
nekrawulf said:
Exactly !!
I've told him that in his other threads.....but he is set on doing Deca with Test and will not listen to reason. I guess some guys just already know it all, so IMO there is no sense in us trying to persuade him into doing anything differently.
StoneColdNTO
Administrator
Easto said:
BINGO !!!
diverse_guy
New member
I'm 29...and turning 30 in 4 months and I weight 225 and I'm 6'4" I guess you can say our stats are pretty similr other than height. I have done a lot of research too, and I have decided on doing 250mg or Sustanon (sust) twice a week = 500mg. Basedon what these guys say, I have to say that I agree. Just because you can get lots of shit and make it work...why rush it? Why not pace yourself. Get those test only gains and get ready for summer in 8-10 weeks. Then BLOW up with your second cycle. I have found wiht any and all drugs including sex...you can always go forward nad add to things in life, but you can not re-experience those things that you rush. TRuth is, I'm sure no cycle will be liek the very first cycle. Do you really want to be forced into having to do twice as much deca adn 500mg-1000mg of test on your 2nd cycle just to feel liek you did on your first?
anyways...by no means am I a Mod in this group....but I di listen VERy well to what these guys have been telling me.
anyways...by no means am I a Mod in this group....but I di listen VERy well to what these guys have been telling me.
Not that I advise him to do a mega dose or anything by any means, i think 500mg of test only is fine, but, how exactly do you oversaturate androgen receptors? Do your receptors upregulate after a few cycles, allowing you to use more AAS? Of course there is a point of diminishing returns, and bodyweight plays a role, but i always wondered hwo this theory came about.nekrawulf said:
diverse_guy
New member
StoneColdNTO..it's kinda like that old fable. You gotta tell these guys like pappapump, that "Son you gott awalk down that hill.....then you can fuck all of those Bulls"
pappapump...I'm not bashing you, just saying pace yourself.
good luck either way.
pappapump...I'm not bashing you, just saying pace yourself.
good luck either way.
BUFFDAWG10
Rookie
I would advise a Test only cycle also, 400mgs./week @ 10 weeks would be perfect for a first cycle. If you already have the Deca, just save it for another cycle later on, no big deal! See how your body reacts to this simple cycle before you get to complicated. Just to let you know Deca shuts the body down pretty hard, I would not recommend it for a first cycle, but that is your choice. Many of us here are experienced in these situations and we are just trying to give you the best advice which will be beneficial to you. Don't forget your gear for your post cycle also, this is very important!
Thanks for all the info and I was pretty set on doing the deca because I heard that it really soths your joints and I have some pain in my knees and shoulder,but it does make sence to do 1 steroid first to see how my body reacts to each different steroid. How long can my bottle of deca sit for I didn't see an exp. date on it I'll have to check. So knowing my stats and all what would be a good first test cycle.Thanx again for all the info I'm new to the juice scene and listen and respect all your input
StoneColdNTO
Administrator
pappapump said:
400 mg of Test Enanthate a week for 10 weeks.
Nolvadex on hand.
Clomid post cycle.
StoneColdNTO
Administrator
Enanthate is a single ester....while Sustanon (sust) is a combination of 4 esters.
If you do Sustanon (sust), do 1 amp (250mg) every 4 days, that will give you a weekly dose of 437 mg.
Clomid therapy is the same for both.
If you do Sustanon (sust), do 1 amp (250mg) every 4 days, that will give you a weekly dose of 437 mg.
Clomid therapy is the same for both.
StoneColdNTO
Administrator
I would do an 8 or 10 weeker, that is totally up to you bro. If you use Enanthate, start Clomid 2 weeks after last shot; if you use Sustanon (sust), start Clomid 3 weeks after last shot.
My personal recommendation of a Test would be Enanthate or Cypionate (basically the same thing), but lots of bros use Sustanon (sust) with great results too, so I would have to say use whatever you have access to.
My personal recommendation of a Test would be Enanthate or Cypionate (basically the same thing), but lots of bros use Sustanon (sust) with great results too, so I would have to say use whatever you have access to.
rollercoaster
cuban refugee
Sure, 500mg of test would be a nice 1st cycle. But you could use 2 compounds and also have a very effective first cycle. Not necessarily deca, but something less mild like EQ, dbol, or Winstrol (winny). I've done a couple cycles, but it wasn't until recently that I've used test. I only used it at 200mg/wk with Winstrol (winny) and have made great gains. Test by itself is effective, but I don't see the big deal in running 2 compounds as your first cycle. Whatever you do decide, just make sure you do your research.
