I need your oppinion I'm concerned

[505jules]

Because of my work schedule I'm not able to have bloods done for several days and I have read austinites gyno thread so I have done research but I'm still concerned. I'm running 500mg of testosterone e/wk and 525mg of tren ace/wk .25mg adex eod. last bloods my e2 was in check, but that was before the tren ace. My nipples are sore not sensitive. I can't feel any distinct lump right behind the nipple but it seems there might be something further back (I could be hyper sensitive), but like I said they are definitely sore. I know first option would be bloods to check e2 and prolactin, but I don't have that option for several days. I have both nolva and prami on hand. Should I start the nolva? It would seem more likely to be an e2 issue right? Thanks for the help guys!

 

[Havasu]

Are you taking a dopamine agonist like Pramipexole since you're using a Nor-19 in Tren? If not, you're prolactin is probably high.

 

[505jules]

I have prami on hand, but didn't immediately take it because my last bloods were in check as far as e2.

 

[Havasu]

I'm not clear on Prami's effect on e2, but as I understand it's primary function is not to control e2, it's lower prolactin Levels. A Nor-19 such as Deca or Tren at higher doses will raise your prolactin. High prolactin will cause soreness of the nipples and eventually a milky liquid will leak from your nipples. It's reversible with prolactin. So, while your e2 may have been fine, did you test your prolactin? If not, then you have no idea what it is. From what I know, which isn't everything, at 525mg of Tren a week you should be taking Prami.

 

[505jules]

Yes prami is to keep prolactin levels in check, but it is my understanding that prolactin levels usually go out of whack from high e2, which is why I didn't see a problem after my last bloods.

 

[hiram1st]

Same issue here e2 was 47 a little high but I have painful lumps behind tge nipples have had tgem on and off since starting trt. My e2 has never been way high and have had the lumps with e2 of 30 on regular essay.
I also had prolactin checked it was 8 tge high limit I think is 19. So I started the prami at .25mg at night and have been on raloxifene 30mg ed since I started my blast. I just must be sensitive cause going by E2 reading I shouldn't be having this issue right? Your guess is as good as mine.

I started tomax/nolva today and see if makes any difference in a couple weeks.

I beleive I'm just going to get these glands taken out and then won't have to worry about it.

I'll keep you posted on how the nolva does.

 

[PrinceDianabol]

If your worried run the nolva, it will prevent any gyno.. and on cycle it won't affect blood work. Personally I'd be running the prami as well though not necessary.

 

[halfwit]

Yes prami is to keep prolactin levels in check, but it is my understanding that prolactin levels usually go out of whack from high e2, which is why I didn't see a problem after my last bloods.

You are correct, E2 control is the number one way to prevent high prolactin - however, some unlucky folks can have it rise even with perfect estradiol levels. If super concerned, run the SERM, but it's probably nothing more serious than wearing a fabric that irritates your nipples.

Edit: And the prami at bedtime with a snack.

 

[505jules]

You are correct, E2 control is the number one way to prevent high prolactin - however, some unlucky folks can have it rise even with perfect estradiol levels. If super concerned, run the SERM, but it's probably nothing more serious than wearing a fabric that irritates your nipples.

Edit: And the prami at bedtime with a snack.

Since I started cycling I always told myself I wouldn't be one of those guys that was hyper sensitive and had some somatic sensation that was really just an irritation, but this feels like it is behind the nipple in the tissue. I could be just freaking myself out, but I'm going to try the prami and see what happens and when I can I'll run bloods to check my levels.

 

[halfwit]

Since I started cycling I always told myself I wouldn't be one of those guys that was hyper sensitive and had some somatic sensation that was really just an irritation, but this feels like it is behind the nipple in the tissue. I could be just freaking myself out, but I'm going to try the prami and see what happens and when I can I'll run bloods to check my levels.

Always better safe than sorry, I can't fault you for being cautious.

 

[bigtimechief]

I'm one of those guys that gets nipple pain with e2 in range. I also have a small lump under the right that developed on my first test cycle. Unfortunately, I've had to run Nolva while on any cycle to keep from developing gyno. I get regular blood work every 2 to 3 weeks, and without fail, e2 will be in range and I will still have issues.

Not something I WANT to do, but I run nolva throughout to prevent problems.

I can't recommend this for you, but it's something I've had to come to terms with running gear. I'm apparently gyno prone, and this is my only option. Hopefully I can find an alternative, as running nolva is just one more compound I have to take.

Unless you have Ralox, i'd run your nolva starting now at 20mg daily. It'll take awhile before you start noticing improvement in the breast tissue, but hang in there.

Hopefully that helped in some way.

 

[505jules]

I'm one of those guys that gets nipple pain with e2 in range. I also have a small lump under the right that developed on my first test cycle. Unfortunately, I've had to run Nolva while on any cycle to keep from developing gyno. I get regular blood work every 2 to 3 weeks, and without fail, e2 will be in range and I will still have issues.

Not something I WANT to do, but I run nolva throughout to prevent problems.

I can't recommend this for you, but it's something I've had to come to terms with running gear. I'm apparently gyno prone, and this is my only option. Hopefully I can find an alternative, as running nolva is just one more compound I have to take.

Unless you have Ralox, i'd run your nolva starting now at 20mg daily. It'll take awhile before you start noticing improvement in the breast tissue, but hang in there.

Hopefully that helped in some way.

Thanks! When you run the nolva on cycle do you still run you ai at the normal dose? It seems I'm finding conflicting info on that in some threads.

 

[505jules]

You are correct, E2 control is the number one way to prevent high prolactin - however, some unlucky folks can have it rise even with perfect estradiol levels. If super concerned, run the SERM, but it's probably nothing more serious than wearing a fabric that irritates your nipples.

Edit: And the prami at bedtime with a snack.

I took my first dose of prami last night .25mg before bed with some food and this morning I feel out of it tired, lethargic and my stomach is a bit off. Nothing I can't push through, but Im curious how long it takes a body to acclimate to prami? Im making the assumption Im feeling this way from the prami since I have put anything else new in my body and Ive heard of other people experiencing similar sides from prami.

 

[bigtimechief]

Absolutely!

As i'm sure you know, SERMS do NOT lower estrogen. They just block estrogen from binding to receptors.

Dropping your AI will most definitely raise e2, which will come with it's own problems. (even while running a serm)

 

[505jules]

Absolutely!

As i'm sure you know, SERMS do NOT lower estrogen. They just block estrogen from binding to receptors.

Dropping your AI will most definitely raise e2, which will come with it's own problems. (even while running a serm)

That is what I thought, but in several threads I found different opinions. I know sometimes you have to sort through the bro science to get the right answer, which is why I wanted to double check.

 

[bigtimechief]

Nolva can help prevent bitch tits while you dial in your AI dose. In my case, I need to stay on or I get issues.

I'm looking into stabilizing my blood levels better. Maybe with prop. I've got to set some time aside for doing this.

 

[hiram1st]

I'm one of those guys that gets nipple pain with e2 in range. I also have a small lump under the right that developed on my first test cycle. Unfortunately, I've had to run Nolva while on any cycle to keep from developing gyno. I get regular blood work every 2 to 3 weeks, and without fail, e2 will be in range and I will still have issues.

Not something I WANT to do, but I run nolva throughout to prevent problems.

I can't recommend this for you, but it's something I've had to come to terms with running gear. I'm apparently gyno prone, and this is my only option. Hopefully I can find an alternative, as running nolva is just one more compound I have to take.

Unless you have Ralox, i'd run your nolva starting now at 20mg daily. It'll take awhile before you start noticing improvement in the breast tissue, but hang in there.

Hopefully that helped in some way.

I am tge same bro. E2 in range painful lumps. Was running ralox 30mg ed on this blast and dudnt help switched to nolva the other day will see what happens in a week or so.

I'm really thinking if just getting the glands cut out. I have this issue on a trt dose of 140 mg a week I don't feel like taking serm to just keep it at bay on trt

 

[505jules]

I am tge same bro. E2 in range painful lumps. Was running ralox 30mg ed on this blast and dudnt help switched to nolva the other day will see what happens in a week or so.

I'm really thinking if just getting the glands cut out. I have this issue on a trt dose of 140 mg a week I don't feel like taking serm to just keep it at bay on trt

Damn thats rough! What does that cost, Does insurance cover any? Hopefully I can tweak my ancillaries and get my body in check.

 

[halfwit]

I took my first dose of prami last night .25mg before bed with some food and this morning I feel out of it tired, lethargic and my stomach is a bit off. Nothing I can't push through, but Im curious how long it takes a body to acclimate to prami? Im making the assumption Im feeling this way from the prami since I have put anything else new in my body and Ive heard of other people experiencing similar sides from prami.

Takes me about a week before I feel 100% again. You can try lowering the dose to 0.125mg and going ED with it, then bump it up in a week.

 

[bigtimechief]

I am tge same bro. E2 in range painful lumps. Was running ralox 30mg ed on this blast and dudnt help switched to nolva the other day will see what happens in a week or so.

I'm really thinking if just getting the glands cut out. I have this issue on a trt dose of 140 mg a week I don't feel like taking serm to just keep it at bay on trt

I hear ya man. Let me know how the Nolva helps.