Interesting article about Clen

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In Conclusion

Now let us put all of this together. First, what do we know; Ephedrine stimulates lipolysis by increasing noradrenaline (NA) release from sympathetic nerve terminals. This increase in noradrenaline activates adrenergic receptors, which increases cAMP levels in fat cells and muscle cells. This has the effect of increasing lipolysis in fat cells and increasing protein synthesis in muscle tissue. Negative feedback mechanisms are activated as well, and involve the production of phosphodiesterases, adenosine, and prostaglandins. Caffeine has the ability to inhibit phosphodiesterase activity and interfere with the adenosine receptor. This combined with its ability to prevent some NA re-uptakeincrease the effectiveness of ephedrine in a synergistic fashion.12 Aspirin has been shown to increase the effectiveness of ephedrine in some individuals presumably by its actions as a prostaglandin inhibitor.

Maximum effectiveness is achieved when taking 20 mg ephedrine with 200 mg caffeine and 300 mg aspirin three times a day about one half hour before meals. Common side effects are associated with its sympathetic activity namely, anorexia, initial rise in blood pressure, initial tachycardia, slowed GI motility (constipation), insomnia, agitation, anxiety, nervousness and depression- like withdrawal symptoms. Most all of these symptoms exhibit tachyphylaxis after about 4-6 weeks. Thermogenic activity seems to last upwards of 20 weeks due to its low desensitization properties and beta-3 affinity. About 75% of ephedrine***8217;s effects on weight loss in the obese are due to appetite control.

Anyone considering taking ephedrine, caffeine and aspirin should educated themselves first about the potential side effects. Individuals with pre-existing high blood pressure should not use sympathomimetics such as ephedrine. When taking herbal forms of ephedrine, be sure you understand just how much is in each serving. Be aware that herbal preparations are standardized but you still can not be sure exactly how much you are taking with each capsule.

The future of fat loss for the bodybuilder will not, or should not, focus on appetite alone. It should focus on enhancing lipolysis and overcoming the regulatory mechanisms designed to prevent rapid and substantial fat loss. Ephedrine, caffeine and aspirin are effective but are still limited by inhibitory mechanisms built into our physiology. Gaining better understanding of the mechanisms involved in lipolysis and gaining funding for appropriate research is critical. The pharmaceutical industry already recognizes the profitability of weight loss agents unfortunately they are focusing at present on appetite control. Perhaps as these strategies continue to fail they will focus more on body composition instead of just "body weight". When this happens you can be sure that adrenergic receptors and the second messenger system will be the focus of attention.

my girl whos a pharamcologiset found this for me and she concluded that clen is anabolic because of increase in protien synthesis.

just wanted to hear your thoughts on this?
 
where does this say anything about clenbuterol?

maybe its just me but i just read an article about an ECA stack...? as far as ECA being anabolic idk...
 
ill ask my girl when i can, but i remember asking the same question and she said its the same thing because Clenbuterol is a ***946;2 agonist or something like that.
 
yeah its a beta 2 agonist... but i'm not sure about the anabolic nature of clen. it has been proven to be effective in rats, but for some reason rats have a much larger ratio of beta 2 receptors to body mass than humans do which means that it would be much more effective in rats. I also believe the dosages were a lot higher in the studies... it might have been two different studies though...

as far as it being anabolic in humans, i'm not sure if it has been proven. just because it does it in studies, doesn't mean it happens in the human body. Many drugs go through testing up through the human phase and get abandoned because of sides that show up or effects aren't as prominent, etc. though in the case of clen this was never its intended use and it was simply adopted by the bodybuilding community. kinda like nolva.

i wouldn't go as far to say its anabolic, but people have used it for a loooooong time without getting much negative feedback to reason not using it.

long story short there is a difference between being anabolic in a study or on paper and being anabolic at a high enough level to be able to notice in the human body. that being said it probably does do something... but there is a reason people don't run cycles of it to build mass ;)
 
yeah its a beta 2 agonist... but i'm not sure about the anabolic nature of clen. it has been proven to be effective in rats, but for some reason rats have a much larger ratio of beta 2 receptors to body mass than humans do which means that it would be much more effective in rats. I also believe the dosages were a lot higher in the studies... it might have been two different studies though...

as far as it being anabolic in humans, i'm not sure if it has been proven. just because it does it in studies, doesn't mean it happens in the human body. Many drugs go through testing up through the human phase and get abandoned because of sides that show up or effects aren't as prominent, etc. though in the case of clen this was never its intended use and it was simply adopted by the bodybuilding community. kinda like nolva.

i wouldn't go as far to say its anabolic, but people have used it for a loooooong time without getting much negative feedback to reason not using it.

long story short there is a difference between being anabolic in a study or on paper and being anabolic at a high enough level to be able to notice in the human body. that being said it probably does do something... but there is a reason people don't run cycles of it to build mass ;)

Thanks for the clear up bro! i wasnt planning to bulk on clen just trying to dig more info on clen use during pct while eating maintenance clean calories
 
I found a medical journal that determined Clenbuterol actually KILLS heart muscle...permanently.
 
I do believe clen is slightly anabolic for the first 7-10 days. Nothing amazing, but I do notice it.
Never heard about heart muscle death, be interested in a study link...
 
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