Keys to Recovery

DrJMW

Community Veteran, Fitness Consultant
1. Use a superior antiestrogen and/or a superior antiprolactin/antiprogestronic DURING the cycle. Aromasin is the superior antiestrogen and Dostinex is the superior antiprolactin med. dostinex is useful when using DECA, Tren/FINA, etc.

2. Keep your Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) cycles eight weeks or so long.

3. Keep your dosing moderate.

This advise applies to those with average genetics (the majority). There are a small number of you who can successfully exceed or ignore these guidelines (the true mesomorphs).

4. Begin your recovery cycle the same week or the next week after the Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) cycle.
Weeks one thru three of recovery:
2,000U of HCG, IM, Mon, Wed, Fri
20mg Nolvadex daily.
Weeks four thru six:
20mg Nolvadex daily.

Clomid 50mg daily should be added, paralleling Nolvadex, if you are coming off a prolonged, heavy cycle. This cycle may need to be repeated once or even twice. If you do not recover, then you need to see an endocrinologist for exam to check for other physiological problems and possible lifelong Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT). Most young, healthy people recover, assuming they have something to recover. How do you know if you have something to recover? Baseline Testos blood levels.

After reading the boards for over four years, I am still amazed at the number of people not using ancillaries, not doing a recovery cycle, not doing blood testing, and not doing adequate recovery cycles.
 
There isn't much that I can add to this. One minor point, though: aromasin is not necessarily the best choice for everyone. In my experience, letrozole works better. Given aromasin's mechanism of inhibition, it would seem that it should work better than letro or adex, but in practice that does not always pan out.
 
DrJMW said:
1. Use a superior antiestrogen and/or a superior antiprolactin/antiprogestronic DURING the cycle. Aromasin is the superior antiestrogen and Dostinex is the superior antiprolactin med. dostinex is useful when using DECA, Tren/FINA, etc.
Aromasin is dangerous because you can drive estrogen levels too low. Estrogen is not an evil hormone, and should not be treated as one. It has many positive effects in the body. Blocking estrogen completely would not be wise. The low-normal range is what everyone should try and aim for.

I wouldn't recommend dostinex either. Nandi12 summed it up best, "If you have gyno, take Nolvadex. If you are worried about getting gyno, take Nolvadex."

DrJMW said:
3. Keep your dosing moderate.
Doses as low as 15mg of var for a peroid of 5 days effect nat. test. Once you're shut down, you're shut down. This thread is titled, "The Keys to Recovery." Moderate doses won't shut you down any less than heavy doses.

DrJMW said:
4. Begin your recovery cycle the same week or the next week after the Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) cycle.
Weeks one thru three of recovery:
2,000U of HCG, IM, Mon, Wed, Fri
20mg Nolvadex daily.
Weeks four thru six:
20mg Nolvadex daily.

6000ius of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is OVERKILL. 500ius ED for 2 weeks is the way to go. Also, nolva and/or clomid therapy should last AT LEAST 4 weeks after your last injection of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG). Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) lasts 5 days in the body, therefore you're not techinically starting post cycle therapy (pct) until day 6 of your last injection of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG). And because of the long lasting effects of the esterfied substances we use, 2 weeks is just not a long enough window to be sure we've given our body enough time to recover.

Check this out:

J Clin Endocrinol Metab 1984 Feb;58(2):327-31

Differential effect of single high dose and divided small dose administration of human chorionic gonadotropin on Leydig cell steroidogenic desensitization.

Smals AG, Pieters GF, Boers GH, Raemakers JM, Hermus AR, Benraad TJ, Kloppenborg PW.

This study compared the effect of a single high dose of hCG (1500 IU) with that of the same dose administered in multiple small doses (300 IU, once daily for 5 days) on Leydig cell steroidogenesis. Administration of a single high dose of hCG to seven healthy men raised the mean plasma testosterone (T) level to peak levels 2.1 +/- 0.2 (SEM) X the baseline value at 48 h. Thereafter plasma T decreased to below normal (0.7 +/- 0.1 X baseline) 7 days after the injection. The mean 17-hydroxyprogesterone (17-OHP) level peaked at 24 h (2.5 +/- 0.2 X baseline) and then also fell to a nadir value of 0.6 +/- 0.2 X baseline on day 7. Reflecting the early accumulation of 17-OHP over T, the 17 OHP/T ratio reached its maximum (1.6 +/- 0.1 X baseline) at 24 h at the same time when plasma estradiol [(E2) 4.4 +/- 0.6 X baseline] and the ratio E2/T (2.7 +/- 0.3 X baseline) achieved their maximal values. Administration of 1500 IU hCG in five divided doses of 300 IU daily increased the mean plasma T levels to peak value of 2.1 +/- 0.2 X baseline at 5 days and the levels remained elevated thereafter. The response of T as reflected by the area under the curve was almost twice as great as in the single dose study (2844 +/- 360 vs. 1647 +/- 214). In contrast to the single high dose experiment, mean plasma 17-OHP levels in the divided dose protocol did not peak at 24 h but only gradually increased. As the increase of T exceeded the 17-OHP increase at almost all time intervals, no accumulation of 17-OHP over T occurred as in the single dose experiment. Instead the 17-OHP/T ratio fell to a nadir value of 0.6 +/- 0.1 X baseline on day 7. The initial E2 peak was absent in the divided dose protocol and the E2/T ratio only marginally increased. Considering both experiments together a close relation was found between the hCG-induced increases in E2 and 17-OHP (r = +0.88, P less than 0.001), as well as the ratio 17 OHP/T (r = +0.64, P less than 0.02).(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 400 WORDS)
 
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