Lyoto Machida...
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CaptainAwesome
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are we supposed to actually pay to watch this guy fight?
ManOfMuscle
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He will get a shot if he beats Thiago. I would definitely give Machida the edge in this fight, as Thiago hasn't fought nearly the caliber of opponents Lyoto has. I give Silva a chance if he can gnp Lyoto.
CaptainAwesome
Pres. of Natty Fan Club
im praying silva wins just so i dont have to keep watching machida fight. i can see machida dancing around the ocatagon sneaking in his shots and winning. he is a slippery fucked but hopefully silva will catch him.
i cant believe they also put that piece of shit karo parisyan on the card. i was hoping his ugly face wouldnt show up again. another boring as hell fighter that takes almost all his fights to decisions.
i cant believe they also put that piece of shit karo parisyan on the card. i was hoping his ugly face wouldnt show up again. another boring as hell fighter that takes almost all his fights to decisions.
dirkdiggler9969
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I hate Machida. He's unorthodox and sneaky, which makes him hard to beat, but fuck is he boring. I'm gonna go down to the local elementary tomorrow and fight a 5th grader. I'm gonna just dance around him and punch him softly and throw stupid axe kicks at him. I'll send you guys the YouTube link. It will be titled "Machida HL."
People want to see "exciting" fights and so does Dana White. Exciting fights brings in the fans and gets people into the fight. His last fight where he won by decision; BORING. He did what was needed to win but that isn't going to sell tickets. I would sooner pay to see an exciting fight and the guy loses and to have him brought back again then watch paint dry. That is why Tank Abbott is a fan favorite.
Lyoto Machida with the UFC has 5 fights and 5 wins; excellent ... 4 by unanimous decision; boring. David Heath, Sam Hogar, Tito Ortis, Kazuhiro Nakamura; if he is going to be exciting he needs to put guys like this away.
Thiago Silva will win this fight.
Lyoto Machida with the UFC has 5 fights and 5 wins; excellent ... 4 by unanimous decision; boring. David Heath, Sam Hogar, Tito Ortis, Kazuhiro Nakamura; if he is going to be exciting he needs to put guys like this away.
Thiago Silva will win this fight.
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ManOfMuscle
Death Dealer
I like the fact that Machida generates controversy. Makes him more interesting to watch.
CaptainAwesome
Pres. of Natty Fan Club
what controversy? is a lot of people hating a fighter because he is boring controversy?
Tsaunders
Well-known member
I agree, I think it will be very interesting to see how the top caliber fighters handle him.
I really dont think Machida's fights are boring at all. I enjoy watching him fight
ManOfMuscle
Death Dealer
Yep. You have beer swilling retards who like to see knock down brawls in every fight, versus those who appreciate technical, refined martial arts.
While I want to see Machida lose this fight, here is some interesting information.
Forced Admiration for Lyoto Machida - MMA FanHouse
"Lyoto Machida is an acquired taste. Like blue cheese or a peaty scotch, his fighting style is not for everyone. Using a careful in-and-out style based more on karate than the usual Muay Thai, Machida has beaten all 13 of his opponents with seemingly little effort. Given that eight of those 13 wins have been by decision, it's hard to blame fans for becoming impatient with the most patient fighter in the game. But even for non-fans, you have to admit that what looks moldy or tastes like dirt to some can be the greatest delicacy to others.
The fact of the matter is that Machida is about as unique as fighters come, which makes looking at his statistics all the more interesting. FightMetric tracked his stats over the course of his career in advance of Machida's bout this Saturday night against Thiago Silva at UFC 94. It's no stretch to say that Machida is the most statistically significant fighter in MMA history.
Here's why:
He absorbs fewer strikes than any fighter in UFC history
One of the best ways to measure effective defense and dominance is to look at the number of strikes a fighter absorbs. This gets a little tricky when making comparisons because not all fights are the same length. So instead of using a cumulative total, we use a ratio. The easiest way to consistently calculate this is to figure the number of strikes absorbed divided by the number of minutes fought. That gives you the number of strikes absorbed per minute of fighting, which we abbreviate as SApM. Here are some SApM figures for the current slate of UFC champions:
Anderson Silva: 0.71 SApM
Georges St. Pierre: 1.01 SApM
BJ Penn: 1.23 SApM
Rashad Evans: 1.39 SApM
Frank Mir: 2.7 SApM
(Note: Brock Lesnar has not had enough career fights to get a meaningful measurement)
These numbers shouldn't be that surprising. Silva usually beats his opponents before they have a chance to hit him. St. Pierre's excellent ground control gives few opportunities for opponents to strike back. Penn and Evans have taken more strikes, but still have low numbers. And Mir, who has taken a number of beatings in his career, stands far below the rest.
But none of them can touch Machida. His career SApM is 0.64. To put that into context, think of BJ Penn and figure that he has averaged absorbing almost double the number of strikes that Machida has. Machida's SApM of 0.64 gives him the second lowest number in MMA history among fighters with at least 10 fights in a major promotion. The only man standing above Machida is the inestimable Fedor Emelianenko, with a SApM of 0.59.
He has never been knocked down
The numbers above confirm what we all know; it's hard to hit Machida. But what if you did manage to hit him? How strong is his chin?
The isn't a lot of data here, given how infrequently he gets tagged, but the number of times he's been knocked down still stands at zero. What we can't tell quantitatively we can observe qualitatively. Despite getting hit square several times in his career, Machida has never looked "rocked" or in trouble. From the looks of it, his chin is pretty solid.
He's really hard to take down
If the numbers above would dissuade you from trying to beat Machida on the feet, the numbers below should give you an idea for what the chances are of getting him down to the ground. For this, we'll measure the number of takedowns landed divided by the number attempted. This is a simple ratio of an opponents' takedown success rate. For comparison, we will again first look at the current UFC champions' numbers:
Georges St. Pierre: 15%
BJ Penn: 36%
Rashad Evans: 38%
Anderson Silva: 41%
Frank Mir: 80%
The first four champions are above-average in their takedown defense, with GSP standing head-and-shoulders above the rest. Frank Mir's number is a bit deceiving. As a submission specialist, few opponents have bothered to take him down. Those that did try succeeded on four of five attempts, a sample size too small to really draw conclusions from.
So where does Machida come in? Opponents have landed just 8 of 41 career takedown attempts against Machida, a success rate of just 19.5%. That is not much worse than St. Pierre, whose takedown defense is perhaps the best in MMA history. And it's actually better than Fedor's number, which stands at 22%.
On the flip-side of the grappling coin, Machida has succeeded on 18 of 24 of his own takedown attempts. That 75% success rate is among the elite in the sport.
He completely controls his fights
Since coming to fight in America, Machida has gotten flak for going to decision five times in six fights. But one thing that comes out of that is we get to see how judges view his performance over that time. The 10-point must system produces nine measurements for each fight that goes to a decision (three rounds each for three judges). So in five decisions, there have been 45 measured rounds upon which judges have given their verdict.
Machida's record on that scale is 44-1. In all of his UFC fights (and assuming a win in the first round against Sokoudjou), Machida has not lost a single round on a single judge's scorecard. He has only won by scores of 30-27. You have to go back more than two years to find a round in which a judge said he lost. In his WFA fight against Vernon White, one of the judges called the bout 29-28. The other two still called it 30-27.
Numbers alone do not tell the entire story of a fighter's career, but they do point to the immutable fact that, whether you enjoy his fighting style or not, Lyoto Machida is one of the most effective fighters in the world. And if he keeps this up, he's not too far from going down as one of the most effective fighters in the history of MMA."
Forced Admiration for Lyoto Machida - MMA FanHouse
"Lyoto Machida is an acquired taste. Like blue cheese or a peaty scotch, his fighting style is not for everyone. Using a careful in-and-out style based more on karate than the usual Muay Thai, Machida has beaten all 13 of his opponents with seemingly little effort. Given that eight of those 13 wins have been by decision, it's hard to blame fans for becoming impatient with the most patient fighter in the game. But even for non-fans, you have to admit that what looks moldy or tastes like dirt to some can be the greatest delicacy to others.
The fact of the matter is that Machida is about as unique as fighters come, which makes looking at his statistics all the more interesting. FightMetric tracked his stats over the course of his career in advance of Machida's bout this Saturday night against Thiago Silva at UFC 94. It's no stretch to say that Machida is the most statistically significant fighter in MMA history.
Here's why:
He absorbs fewer strikes than any fighter in UFC history
One of the best ways to measure effective defense and dominance is to look at the number of strikes a fighter absorbs. This gets a little tricky when making comparisons because not all fights are the same length. So instead of using a cumulative total, we use a ratio. The easiest way to consistently calculate this is to figure the number of strikes absorbed divided by the number of minutes fought. That gives you the number of strikes absorbed per minute of fighting, which we abbreviate as SApM. Here are some SApM figures for the current slate of UFC champions:
Anderson Silva: 0.71 SApM
Georges St. Pierre: 1.01 SApM
BJ Penn: 1.23 SApM
Rashad Evans: 1.39 SApM
Frank Mir: 2.7 SApM
(Note: Brock Lesnar has not had enough career fights to get a meaningful measurement)
These numbers shouldn't be that surprising. Silva usually beats his opponents before they have a chance to hit him. St. Pierre's excellent ground control gives few opportunities for opponents to strike back. Penn and Evans have taken more strikes, but still have low numbers. And Mir, who has taken a number of beatings in his career, stands far below the rest.
But none of them can touch Machida. His career SApM is 0.64. To put that into context, think of BJ Penn and figure that he has averaged absorbing almost double the number of strikes that Machida has. Machida's SApM of 0.64 gives him the second lowest number in MMA history among fighters with at least 10 fights in a major promotion. The only man standing above Machida is the inestimable Fedor Emelianenko, with a SApM of 0.59.
He has never been knocked down
The numbers above confirm what we all know; it's hard to hit Machida. But what if you did manage to hit him? How strong is his chin?
The isn't a lot of data here, given how infrequently he gets tagged, but the number of times he's been knocked down still stands at zero. What we can't tell quantitatively we can observe qualitatively. Despite getting hit square several times in his career, Machida has never looked "rocked" or in trouble. From the looks of it, his chin is pretty solid.
He's really hard to take down
If the numbers above would dissuade you from trying to beat Machida on the feet, the numbers below should give you an idea for what the chances are of getting him down to the ground. For this, we'll measure the number of takedowns landed divided by the number attempted. This is a simple ratio of an opponents' takedown success rate. For comparison, we will again first look at the current UFC champions' numbers:
Georges St. Pierre: 15%
BJ Penn: 36%
Rashad Evans: 38%
Anderson Silva: 41%
Frank Mir: 80%
The first four champions are above-average in their takedown defense, with GSP standing head-and-shoulders above the rest. Frank Mir's number is a bit deceiving. As a submission specialist, few opponents have bothered to take him down. Those that did try succeeded on four of five attempts, a sample size too small to really draw conclusions from.
So where does Machida come in? Opponents have landed just 8 of 41 career takedown attempts against Machida, a success rate of just 19.5%. That is not much worse than St. Pierre, whose takedown defense is perhaps the best in MMA history. And it's actually better than Fedor's number, which stands at 22%.
On the flip-side of the grappling coin, Machida has succeeded on 18 of 24 of his own takedown attempts. That 75% success rate is among the elite in the sport.
He completely controls his fights
Since coming to fight in America, Machida has gotten flak for going to decision five times in six fights. But one thing that comes out of that is we get to see how judges view his performance over that time. The 10-point must system produces nine measurements for each fight that goes to a decision (three rounds each for three judges). So in five decisions, there have been 45 measured rounds upon which judges have given their verdict.
Machida's record on that scale is 44-1. In all of his UFC fights (and assuming a win in the first round against Sokoudjou), Machida has not lost a single round on a single judge's scorecard. He has only won by scores of 30-27. You have to go back more than two years to find a round in which a judge said he lost. In his WFA fight against Vernon White, one of the judges called the bout 29-28. The other two still called it 30-27.
Numbers alone do not tell the entire story of a fighter's career, but they do point to the immutable fact that, whether you enjoy his fighting style or not, Lyoto Machida is one of the most effective fighters in the world. And if he keeps this up, he's not too far from going down as one of the most effective fighters in the history of MMA."
JayC
..in the making
I'm taking Thiago Sliva for this one as well.. obviously he'll need to actually get his hands on Machida but when he does, BAM, I think he'll put him away. But it won't be easy.
Machida can be boring, sometimes.. but you've got to respect his skill and amazing timing/speed. Plus, he's probably the only one to really adapt Karate to compete in mma and actually win.
Machida can be boring, sometimes.. but you've got to respect his skill and amazing timing/speed. Plus, he's probably the only one to really adapt Karate to compete in mma and actually win.
ManOfMuscle
Death Dealer
Those stats are amazing. I don't think Silva will be able to get his hand on Machida long enough to take him down.
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