My New Cycle Please Critique

[CYBER_COUNTER]

Hi This will be my 5th cycle. I am planning lean mass. My latest cycle was tren e + test cyp + tbol
Age: 33
Length: 168 cm (5,5)
Weight: 72 kg (158 lb)
BF: %11
Week 1-4: Tbol………………………………………50 mg/day
Week 1-14: Test. Cyptonate/Enanthate ………………….500 mg/week
Week 1-14: Tren Enanthate…………………………………….400 mg/week
Week 1-14: Boldenone Unde OR ???…………………..…………….500 mg/week
IN CYCLE:
HCG …………………….500-750 iu/week
Arimidex ………………………….0,25 mg/EOD
Dostinex………………………….0,75 mg/week
NAC………………………1200 mg/day
PCT:
Week 1-4: Clomid…………….100/50/50/50 mg
Week 1-4: Evista or Nolvadex …………60 or 20 mg
Week 1-4: Aromasin or Arimidex……..12,5/EOD or 1mg/ED
Week 1-4: NAC………………………600 mg/day

 

[PapaNoel]

Why would you run 1mg adex ED in pct ? Thats a weekly dose for most and you're planning on 7mg/week for 4 weeks ?
You will have zero estrogen left ?

 

[CYBER_COUNTER]

Why would you run 1mg adex ED in pct ? Thats a weekly dose for most and you're planning on 7mg/week for 4 weeks ?
You will have zero estrogen left ?

Ops, ok than so lets say 0,25mg/EOD? I just want to keep my estrogen low while in PCT.

What do you think about rest of the cycle???

 

[scorob777]

If you decide to do the 500 mg/wk boldenone how long will you wait for PCT after last shot?

 

[Body_weight02]

Sorta off topic, but I’ve always heard that adex and nolvadex don’t mesh well. I have no science to back that up though. Sorry, to hijack your post a little Op

 

[PapaNoel]

Ops, ok than so lets say 0,25mg/EOD? I just want to keep my estrogen low while in PCT.
What do you think about rest of the cycle???

You misunderstand me. Your adex wk 1-14 is ok.
You should just not use it in PCT, if you're worried about the estrogen rebound, I would just use aromasin instead.

Rest of the cycle looks decent but its a lot of compounds and heavy doses.

 

[CYBER_COUNTER]

If you decide to do the 500 mg/wk boldenone how long will you wait for PCT after last shot?

14 days after last shot.

 

[scorob777]

14 days after last shot.

Here's what happens when you pin a bunch of long ester compounds. I put in 500 mg/wk Test E 10 day half life, 400 mg/wk Tren E 10 day half life, and 500 mg/wk Bold 14 day half life. The light blue is Tren, Yellow is Test E, and Red is Bold. The black is the total of all three.

This chart shows last pin start of week #7, just for example to show the bleed down. It starts at 196, 1 week later 138, 2 weeks 90, 3 weeks 59, 4 weeks 39, five weeks 25, six weeks 16.9. If you assume your natural production of testosterone is 10 mg/day and put this into the same plot your natural level is 14.

So, waiting 14 days would have you starting PCT with a huge amount still in your system, then week #6 when your PCT wraps up you'd still be at 16.9 vs. natural of 14-ish. In other words you would emerge from PCT still fully suppressed and your PCT would likely fail.

If you want to inject large amounts of long esters you need to wait longer. In this case waiting six weeks to start PCT would be a good idea. That way you wouldn't drop below natural levels while waiting, so wouldn't lose much mass, and would also emerge after four weeks with almost all the compounds gone.

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[CYBER_COUNTER]

Here's what happens when you pin a bunch of long ester compounds. I put in 500 mg/wk Test E 10 day half life, 400 mg/wk Tren E 10 day half life, and 500 mg/wk Bold 14 day half life. The light blue is Tren, Yellow is Test E, and Red is Bold. The black is the total of all three.

This chart shows last pin start of week #7, just for example to show the bleed down. It starts at 196, 1 week later 138, 2 weeks 90, 3 weeks 59, 4 weeks 39, five weeks 25, six weeks 16.9. If you assume your natural production of testosterone is 10 mg/day and put this into the same plot your natural level is 14.

So, waiting 14 days would have you starting PCT with a huge amount still in your system, then week #6 when your PCT wraps up you'd still be at 16.9 vs. natural of 14-ish. In other words you would emerge from PCT still fully suppressed and your PCT would likely fail.

If you want to inject large amounts of long esters you need to wait longer. In this case waiting six weeks to start PCT would be a good idea. That way you wouldn't drop below natural levels while waiting, so wouldn't lose much mass, and would also emerge after four weeks with almost all the compounds gone.

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Thank you soo much. By the way, i really cant read this PCT calculators. I can enter values in the table But i can't understand the other things in the chart. (like 1-1, 1-2 etc) Can you check the attachment please?
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[scorob777]

Those are days in the far right column. It shows week-day.

What I do for injection day is assume twice per week, so I put in 250 day 1-1 then 250 day 1-4, then 2-1, 2-4, etc.

When you put it in like that you'll see the curve build up from zero to some steady level over ten weeks or so, that's why you want at least say 14 or 16 weeks for such a long ester. If you want it to start flat like the curve I posted play with the number in 1-1 until you get there.

 

[oldmusclemike]

Good little thread here. Good input tankman,

TX

OMM

 

[CYBER_COUNTER]

Those are days in the far right column. It shows week-day.

What I do for injection day is assume twice per week, so I put in 250 day 1-1 then 250 day 1-4, then 2-1, 2-4, etc.

When you put it in like that you'll see the curve build up from zero to some steady level over ten weeks or so, that's why you want at least say 14 or 16 weeks for such a long ester. If you want it to start flat like the curve I posted play with the number in 1-1 until you get there.

How its look correct??>>>>>View attachment 567580

And how i understand/read when i need to start PCT on the graphic chart?

 

[scorob777]

How its look correct??>>>>>View attachment 567580

And how i understand/read when i need to start PCT on the graphic chart?

The half lives are 10, 10, and 14 - but otherwise correct. And of course run it out to 14 weeks.

To answer your question on PCT do a little experiment. It is said the body produces 7mg/day testosterone, which of course has no ester. Make it 10 mg/day to represent enanthate or cypionate, and put it 10mg for 1-1, 1-2, 1-3..... on up to a few weeks. You'll see that it levels out at about 14-ish. So that's what I use as the trigger point to say above 14 I'm ok waiting to start PCT. You don't want to drop below natural or you'll lose muscle mass. You also don't want to start too soon or you risk a failed PCT, or risk having to take huge doses of clomid to try to compensate. Make sense?

Edit - so I just tried this and for any half life I enter, like 0.25, 0.5, 1 the graph levels out at around 10. Odd because when I've done this in the past it was 14. But whatever, the main point is the same - let your AAS totals bleed down to this range to time the start of your PCT. People who use really long esters like bold undecylenate, or use really massive doses, often don't wait nearly long enough. The result if you emerge from PCT still suppressed is a massively increased chance of a bad outcome. It can be the equivalent of not doing a PCT at all, meaning some people will still recover fine while others may have big and lasting problems.

 

[Nicky_eye_lids]

When do you start your cycle? have you done bloods yet?

 

[casanovaaa]

Did you run it to 14 weeks? what about labs

 

[casanovaaa]

I still dont get it why your doing an ai douring pct, not a usual thing to do around these neck of the woods as the general notion of pct calls for nolva and clomid

 

[Nicky_eye_lids]

where art though op? hows the cycle going? sides?

 

[casanovaaa]

Hi This will be my 5th cycle. I am planning lean mass. My latest cycle was tren e + test cyp + tbol
Age: 33
Length: 168 cm (5,5)
Weight: 72 kg (158 lb)
BF: %11
Week 1-4: Tbol***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;50 mg/day
Week 1-14: Test. Cyptonate/Enanthate ***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;.500 mg/week
Week 1-14: Tren Enanthate***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;.400 mg/week
Week 1-14: Boldenone Unde OR ???***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;..***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;.500 mg/week
IN CYCLE:
HCG ***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;.500-750 iu/week
Arimidex ***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;.0,25 mg/EOD
Dostinex***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;.0,75 mg/week
NAC***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;1200 mg/day
PCT:
Week 1-4: Clomid***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;.100/50/50/50 mg
Week 1-4: Evista or Nolvadex ***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;60 or 20 mg
Week 1-4: Aromasin or Arimidex***8230;***8230;..12,5/EOD or 1mg/ED
Week 1-4: NAC***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;***8230;600 mg/day

whats up with yoru cycle bro?