Need Help!!!!! Steroid Abuse has caught up to me!

[PSUKICKSASS]

I am going to be 36 years old next month. My natural testosterone started shutting down when I was 26 - no prior steroid use. They never found the cause and when I was 30 my levels became so low I had to go on prescription testosterone. I was into to working out so I figured if my test is shot why not do a cycle. So I did my first cycle and put on 20 lbs. Then that lead to another cycle and another cycle, you get the idea. I would be on for a year at a time and take a month or two off in between and run my dose of 200/mg per week and then right back on. I felt invincible and looked like I always wanted to.

I ran HGH, slin, T3, T4, Clen / ECA Stacks. The same year I ran my first cycle, I also tore my left Achilles tendon playing flag football. About 8 months ago I started lifting heavy and developed tendonitis in my right knee and left elbow. I took a month off and it did not feel any better so I had graston, ART, hot/cold therapy, laser therapy, natural supplements (no anti-inflammatory's) but nothing worked. The tendonitis slowly moved into every joint in my body. I had blood work done in June and my SGPT was at 68 while on a dose of 200 mg/wk. I cycled off in September to see if the testosterone was causing the tendonitis. I just had blood work done this week (12/12/11) and my total test is 38 and my SGPT is 94.

I knew my testosterone would be shot even with PCT, but I did not expect my liver to get worse. In the process, I have gone from a lean 205 lbs to 180 lbs and feel fat/skinny. Other symptoms are extremely sore feet (like I have been standing on a ladder bare foot for days), severe lower back pain mostly on the right side (liver inflamed or tumor pushing on my back?) I keep getting the run around from doctors. I am scheduled to have an ultrasound on my liver Jan 9th. I know that I am not the only dumbass who as abused steroids. Can anybody give me some advice or let me know if they experienced the same symptoms? I would greatly appreciate it, I feel all alone, in severe pain and no answers.

Thanks

 

["200lbs is 200lbs" H.L.R.]

Sorry to hear this man. I cant really give advice on this as Ive never heard of this happening. I would go ahead with the liver check and if the docs are giving you the run around then they proly dont know whats going on...have you tried and endo?

 

[PSUKICKSASS]

I was trying to go the natural way since I abused all of the synthetics by seeing a Naturopathic Hormone Doctor. But I dont think they can mix a high enough dose of bioidentical testosterone compound to balance me out. That will have to be my next step.

Thanks

 

[coltmc45]

First, welcome to ology.

Sorry to hear you're going through this shit bro. Hopefully some more of the seasoned vets (dawg, seek, userAT204, the-det-oak) will chime in. If not try pm'ing dadawg or Teutonic. You don't have enough posts to pm reg members yet but they're mods and you can pm them anytime.

 

[PSUKICKSASS]

Thanks for the heads up. I have actually been a member for almost 6 years. I just do not make any posts. I have just used the site for reference over the years of my steroid use.

 

[balboa270]

Dam bro sorry to hear but I would go to another doc maybe?

 

[essays]

Are you seeing your general practitioner about these problems? You need to visit an endocrinologist. This kind of thing is all they deal with. A good endo should be able to put you on the right track.

You might be a candidate for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), but if your goal is to have kids, you might ask your doctor about hcg/clomid etc. He will know best.

 

[PSUKICKSASS]

Are you seeing your general practitioner about these problems? You need to visit an endocrinologist. This kind of thing is all they deal with. A good endo should be able to put you on the right track.

You might be a candidate for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), but if your goal is to have kids, you might ask your doctor about hcg/clomid etc. He will know best.

My wife and I were trying to have a kid, but unfortunately there are only enough swimmers for IVF. At this point it is baby steps. I just want to wake up without pain. Then go from there. Right now I am wasting away.

 

[UserAt204]

I would guess that you problem is completely unrelated. Don't get ms wrong, abusing gear can lead to real problems.

How are you staying on for a year at a time while on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT)? Most docs require blood on average 6 months. The only way I could see any liver issues would be from using orals at high doses for long periods of time. I've stayed on a gram of test for long periods and had no elevation in liver values.

You may have something else going on. Rheumatoid arthritis can cause symptoms similar to yours. There's just too many possibilities to even try and guess. If your doc isn't helping then look for someone else.

I could be 100% wrong but what do you consider abuse? It also depends on what your body considers abuse. I've had many times where gear made me feel horrible, tired all the time, high bp, gyno, high hematocrit/hemoglobin, but that's about the extent and lowering dose or coming off has always worked.

Are you on any prescription or OTC meds? Sorry we can't really help but if you aren't feeling right then find a doc who's willing to look at what's going on. But keep in mind that if you mention gear use, it will automatically become the cause in many's minds. If it is that's another situation but I wouldnt let the issues be blown off as gear related simply because you have ran a lot. But trust me, there are a lot of guys on all year. I'm not condoning it or saying it's healthy by any means.

Good luck, I hope you get it figured out.

 

[simpllyhuge]

The first concern in your organs. If those turn out to be fine then its a much smaller problem.

Plenty of people have been on for years and come off and restored testosterone levels and sperm count, maybe to shitty levels but still good enough to conceive. You might not feel as good and you can go back on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) after you have kids. What about Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) or HMG and clomid?

Your kidney pain and or liver pain scares me. Where are you from?

 

[BalcoBob]

Keep us updated...

 

[PSUKICKSASS]

I would guess that you problem is completely unrelated. Don't get ms wrong, abusing gear can lead to real problems.

How are you staying on for a year at a time while on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT)? Most docs require blood on average 6 months. The only way I could see any liver issues would be from using orals at high doses for long periods of time. I've stayed on a gram of test for long periods and had no elevation in liver values.

You may have something else going on. Rheumatoid arthritis can cause symptoms similar to yours. There's just too many possibilities to even try and guess. If your doc isn't helping then look for someone else.

I could be 100% wrong but what do you consider abuse? It also depends on what your body considers abuse. I've had many times where gear made me feel horrible, tired all the time, high bp, gyno, high hematocrit/hemoglobin, but that's about the extent and lowering dose or coming off has always worked.

Are you on any prescription or OTC meds? Sorry we can't really help but if you aren't feeling right then find a doc who's willing to look at what's going on. But keep in mind that if you mention gear use, it will automatically become the cause in many's minds. If it is that's another situation but I wouldnt let the issues be blown off as gear related simply because you have ran a lot. But trust me, there are a lot of guys on all year. I'm not condoning it or saying it's healthy by any means.

Good luck, I hope you get it figured out.

Once my natty test was shutting down, I got a script from my family doctor and he never tested my levels except when I wanted to get things checked out to make sure I wasnt doing damage to myself so I would be down to my 200 mgs/wk dose.

I have been checked for Autoimmune Diseases and they came back negative. I thought for sure I had an Autoimmune Disease. All of my symptoms pointed towards that diagnoses.

I have had anxiety and depression most of my life and have been taking Zoloft 100 mgs/day and Klonopin 1mg/day for about 15 years now. I went to the naturopathic doctor to get off of all meds and synthetic hormones, but now that my test is almost non-existent, I do not now if a compound can really balance me out.

Abuse for me was running 1000mg of test/wk for a year, stacking it with 600 mg of EQ in the "wear my shirt" time of year and then switching to tren for "pool party season". I would come off and run just test at 300 mgs/wk for a month or two then ramp it back up to 800 to 1000 and repeat. It was addicting for sure. And I had the money to do it, so it was not a problem.

Yeah, I am not sure if I tell the truth or let them do their thing then tell them the truth.

Thanks

 

[PSUKICKSASS]

The first concern in your organs. If those turn out to be fine then its a much smaller problem.

Plenty of people have been on for years and come off and restored testosterone levels and sperm count, maybe to shitty levels but still good enough to conceive. You might not feel as good and you can go back on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) after you have kids. What about Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) or HMG and clomid?

Your kidney pain and or liver pain scares me. Where are you from?

So far its only the the liver. I lived in Vegas during my abuse.

 

[Shovel]

Testosterone makes muscles stronger and at the same time it makes tendons weaker. That's why most long term users run deca with their cruise dose.
Tendons will heal over time, but the liver issue is odd and the doses aren't extreme. Are you a drinker?
What post cycle therapy (pct) did you run?

 

[Shovel]

Your anxiety meds might be the cause of your liver problems, but that's just speculation...

 

[PSUKICKSASS]

Testosterone makes muscles stronger and at the same time it makes tendons weaker. That's why most long term users run deca with their cruise dose.
Tendons will heal over time, but the liver issue is odd and the doses aren't extreme. Are you a drinker?
What post cycle therapy (pct) did you run?

I haven't drank in over a year. Prior to that, I would have maybe 24 beers in the course of a year. I am doing a 30 day detox with my family to try an get rid of all the toxins in my body. It is going to be brutal, but well worth it.

I would run nolv, clomid and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for my post cycle therapy (pct), but remember I never came off so it was really just when I lowered my dose down to 200 - 300 mg/wk. So it may not have even done any good if you think in terms of the half life's.

 

[binary]

200mg of test per week is not abuse at all, even if you stay on for a year. That's actually a really low dose, almost to the point of being ineffective.

as for your problems, you said your natural test shut down at 26? You clearly have unrelated medical issues, and its pretty likely that doing steroids didnt do any harm.

 

[PSUKICKSASS]

200mg of test per week is not abuse at all, even if you stay on for a year. That's actually a really low dose, almost to the point of being ineffective.

as for your problems, you said your natural test shut down at 26? You clearly have unrelated medical issues, and its pretty likely that doing steroids didnt do any harm.

I was running 1000 mg/wk, 200 mg/wk was my Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) dose that I would come down to. I agree that I have other health issues. I am trying to get into see and endo as soon as I can.

 

[PSUKICKSASS]

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[trtgiant]

I am dealing with arthritis, the normal kind, and gout related arthritis, which also ties into my diabetes.

If I were you, I would get a blood glucose monitor and see where your blood sugar levels are during the day, a lot of test makes me need more insulin. I am type 2, and both my parents are, and I fought it hard.

The way I cruise is ad a little deca, 150 mgs a week, is enough to take care of a lot of my arthritis.

You will be on supplemental testosterone for the rest of your life, there is no getting around this unless you want to live like an old eunic.

I need to give blood myself, but that is one of the better things for all the extra iron. I just hate doing it.

Good luck man, and relax, the damage is already done, and now you just have to recover what you can, and figure out what is really going on