New Stuff

TwinTowers said:
Just got some new gear today.

3 T-400's
2 QV EQ's
1 Deca 300
1 bottle of QV anadrol

I can wait until monday
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Probably

weeks 1-12 t400 2x per week @200mgs per

Weeks 1-10 EQ 2x per week @200 mgs per.

Weeks 1-4 Anadrol 75 mgs ed.

plus post cycle therapy (pct) at end of cycle

Not useing the deca on this cycle.



I also have coming next week:

2 QV test E
1 QV Dbol
40 clomids
100 Clen
5 pack of proviron.
 
Re: Re: New Stuff

TwinTowers said:
Probably

weeks 1-12 t400 2x per week @200mgs per

Weeks 1-10 EQ 2x per week @200 mgs per.

Weeks 1-4 Anadrol 75 mgs ed.

plus post cycle therapy (pct) at end of cycle

Not useing the deca on this cycle.



I also have coming next week:

2 QV test E
1 QV Dbol
40 clomids
100 Clen
5 pack of proviron.
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Is it ok to run the same mgs for both the test and EQ or should i up the test a little?

thanks
 
is this your first cycle? if it is, just run the test how you have it and drop the rest. if its not, then the test is good and the eq will be a good addition. i think most people will say 400 is kind of low for the eq though.
 
Why for gods sake run your test that low? Your telling me that your going to split your test 400 up twice a week? No, you should be doing 1 cc on Monday, and 1 cc on thursday, and you guys can say that 800 mgs a week is to much for a beginner, ok prove it. I would run 300-400 mgs of that eq with the test on monday and thursday. This is soley based on what you got. I don't believe in test 400. I would rather stick with an enanthate or cyp. If that was the case then you could do a 250 mg of test every other day with an 150-200mg of eq every other day along with the test. And don't let that every other day shit fuck with your head. I am talking about maybe Mon. WEd, and Fri, but if you dont feel like sticking yourself on Fri, Sat would be fine, just as long as its 3 days a week. If its your first drop the orals, this right here will provide enough for you the first six weeks. Then drop the high doses and run a dose of 250 mgs of test for 2 weeks followed by hcg, arimidex, and clomid. Then bump your mgs and eq up again.
 
beefeater said:
Why for gods sake run your test that low? Your telling me that your going to split your test 400 up twice a week? No, you should be doing 1 cc on Monday, and 1 cc on thursday, and you guys can say that 800 mgs a week is to much for a beginner, ok prove it. I would run 300-400 mgs of that eq with the test on monday and thursday. This is soley based on what you got. I don't believe in test 400. I would rather stick with an enanthate or cyp. If that was the case then you could do a 250 mg of test every other day with an 150-200mg of eq every other day along with the test. And don't let that every other day shit fuck with your head. I am talking about maybe Mon. WEd, and Fri, but if you dont feel like sticking yourself on Fri, Sat would be fine, just as long as its 3 days a week. If its your first drop the orals, this right here will provide enough for you the first six weeks. Then drop the high doses and run a dose of 250 mgs of test for 2 weeks followed by hcg, arimidex, and clomid. Then bump your mgs and eq up again.
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this is part of the problem with todays thinking. obviously a beginner would grow on 800mg week but he would also blow up 15-20lbs on HALF that as well. by just taking more more and more, this is how you end up with guys who look like they barely lift weights yet they take enough to shame top amateurs and pros. recently, there was a very good example of this that only goes to further my point.
 
Proviron

Yea i wont be using the deca on this cycle.

I have 100 pills of proviron coming in some time next week , Could i add this in to the cycle? and how and when?. ITs only 100 pills, will that be enough?

I will bump up the test a bit.

Thanks
 
Re: Proviron

TwinTowers said:
Yea i wont be using the deca on this cycle.

I have 100 pills of proviron coming in some time next week , Could i add this in to the cycle? and how and when?. ITs only 100 pills, will that be enough?

I will bump up the test a bit.

Thanks
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anyonehave any info on my proviron question??

Thanks
 
beefeater said:
Why for gods sake run your test that low? Your telling me that your going to split your test 400 up twice a week? No, you should be doing 1 cc on Monday, and 1 cc on thursday, and you guys can say that 800 mgs a week is to much for a beginner, ok prove it. I would run 300-400 mgs of that eq with the test on monday and thursday. This is soley based on what you got. I don't believe in test 400. I would rather stick with an enanthate or cyp. If that was the case then you could do a 250 mg of test every other day with an 150-200mg of eq every other day along with the test. And don't let that every other day shit fuck with your head. I am talking about maybe Mon. WEd, and Fri, but if you dont feel like sticking yourself on Fri, Sat would be fine, just as long as its 3 days a week. If its your first drop the orals, this right here will provide enough for you the first six weeks. Then drop the high doses and run a dose of 250 mgs of test for 2 weeks followed by hcg, arimidex, and clomid. Then bump your mgs and eq up again.
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WORST ADVICE of the MONTH.................!!!!!
 
Guys I am not coming on here trying to stir up a shitstorm. I just keep seeing these same stupid cycle protocols on the internet. You guys are a great bunch. I dont post much but I do read most of the time. To be honest, I just don't see many people changing there physique on this "yo-yo" style of cycling. Most of the IFBB pro's wether you believe it or not are on the whole entire year. If you don't believe me than pull up any pro's website and look at there schedules and guest appearences. Also most pro's are running 1500-2000 mg a week of test, which is by far what I recomended above for a beginner. I actually stated that I didn't like test 400, that I would much rather see a beginner taking in 750mg of test a week spaced out over 3 days. Then after 6 weeks drop the mg's down to 200-300 with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and clomid for a 3-4 week period than blast your mgs back up again. This way you can damn near stay on most of the year, and be healthy and retain your size and strength. Taking 500mg a test for 12 weeks, getting off, loosing all that size, then just to get back on 12 weeks later and do the same thing. Your spinning your wheels. Your either on or off. If you do decide to stay on for most of the year like I described above, well when you see gains stop, then you up your mgs. I have spoken with Tom Prince about this before many of times and he agrees with this completely. Also if anyone of you are aware of Dante' he also recommends a cycle protocol of this nature. He is one of the top trainers there is. Maybe I didnt explain it properly enough before you titled my advice dumbest of the month, but now do you guys kinda of see where I am getting at here?
 
beefeater said:
Worst advice of the month, ok, please explain, why.
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your advice mentioned him being a first timer and if he is 800 mgs is to much . 800mgs isnt to much for most but there are plenty of people who are very susceptile to gyno from test and if its his first cycle he wont have any idea of how he will react to it . also if he is a first timer and he doesnt get good results from 400-500 mg a week of test for 10-12 weeks its almost a certainty he wasnt eating/training/resting properly and if he wasnt 800 or even 1000 wouldnt help . as for denkall t400 its pretty decent test for vet gear except for the pain factor . saying you would rather stick to either eth or cyp doesnt make sense , if the havent changed it t400 has around 187.5 mg of cyp , 187.5 mg of eth and 25 mg of prop . since eth and cyp are virtually interchangeable and theres only 25 mg of prop in it which would be a whopping 12.5 mg each injection ,t400 is perfectly fine . then you go on to reccomend he coast for 2 weeks run post cycle therapy (pct) then start another cycle WTF if its his first cycle and you have him running back to back cycles with no off time . thats just retarded.
400-500 mg of test for 10-12weeks plus post cycle therapy (pct) = about 15-17 weeks and thats how long he should wait before he cycles again especially after a first cycle .
 
As far as him taking 800mgs and getting gyno, he should be able to tell if its starting and then maybe drop his dose down and start a different dose.

Its not 2 different cycles he'd be running back to back. It would look something like this:

Weeks 1-6
750mg test
450-600mg eq

Weeks 7-9
hcg
200-300mg prop preferably, or cyp or enanthate
clomid

Weeks 10-16
Repeat the same

16-19
same

Now at this point he can stay off for awhile, if he wants, if not he can continue doing what he's been doing or increase the doses if he sees gains stop. If health problems start to arise then of course. But if he wants to continue on that fine. All I am saying, is this is how these pro's are staying on year round, but they are blasting with way higher doses. This is practically a way he could stay on for damn near the whole year if he wanted to.
 
beefeater said:
As far as him taking 800mgs and getting gyno, he should be able to tell if its starting and then maybe drop his dose down and start a different dose.

Its not 2 different cycles he'd be running back to back. It would look something like this:

Weeks 1-6
750mg test
450-600mg eq

Weeks 7-9
hcg
200-300mg prop preferably, or cyp or enanthate
clomid

Weeks 10-16
Repeat the same

16-19
same

Now at this point he can stay off for awhile, if he wants, if not he can continue doing what he's been doing or increase the doses if he sees gains stop. If health problems start to arise then of course. But if he wants to continue on that fine. All I am saying, is this is how these pro's are staying on year round, but they are blasting with way higher doses. This is practically a way he could stay on for damn near the whole year if he wanted to.
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i must of missed the part where he said he had the genetics to be a pro an the part where he wntedto be a pro , and the part where he said he could afford gear year round and the part where he wanted to be on gear round .
you said something above about running a 12 week cycle and then loosing all the gains . if you cant run a 12 week cycle and keep a lot if not most of the gains theres only a couple of explanations . your so massive and so much heavier than your genetic potential/limit that you lose when you come off or you cant eat/train/rest because you get sick or have crazy ass work schedules or you just dont know what the hell your doing .
 
Thedawg

DADAWG said:
your advice mentioned him being a first timer and if he is 800 mgs is to much . 800mgs isnt to much for most but there are plenty of people who are very susceptile to gyno from test and if its his first cycle he wont have any idea of how he will react to it . also if he is a first timer and he doesnt get good results from 400-500 mg a week of test for 10-12 weeks its almost a certainty he wasnt eating/training/resting properly and if he wasnt 800 or even 1000 wouldnt help . as for denkall t400 its pretty decent test for vet gear except for the pain factor . saying you would rather stick to either eth or cyp doesnt make sense , if the havent changed it t400 has around 187.5 mg of cyp , 187.5 mg of eth and 25 mg of prop . since eth and cyp are virtually interchangeable and theres only 25 mg of prop in it which would be a whopping 12.5 mg each injection ,t400 is perfectly fine . then you go on to reccomend he coast for 2 weeks run post cycle therapy (pct) then start another cycle WTF if its his first cycle and you have him running back to back cycles with no off time . thats just retarded.
400-500 mg of test for 10-12weeks plus post cycle therapy (pct) = about 15-17 weeks and thats how long he should wait before he cycles again especially after a first cycle .
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Thanks Dadawg.

and no this is not my first cycle. It is maybe me 10th but only my 2nd this year after a few years off.

Thanks
 
So then as a BRAND new guy to lifting. Would an 8 week cycle of 250mg/ml injections of sostenon twice a week be good to start with..??
 
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