Newbie Prohormone Cycle Questions

[tihtn]

Happy New Year all,

I've joined this site in hopes of getting some experienced help with my cycle. I've ordered an assortment of peptides based on research I've done on the subject. Now all I need is some expertise to help me execute this cycle efficiently.

The peptides I have are: MGF|IGF-LR3|CJC-1295|GHRP-2

Instead of mocking someone else's regiment, I thought I'd ask the forum to see how you think I should incorporate these peptides.

Here's some info about me: I'm 6'1" I'm 30 years old I weigh 166 Lbs I've been on a break from exercise for 6 weeks after a year long 4 day on 3 day off regiment. I'm healthy. I do have issues gaining weight and the results of an all natural workout regiment are slow to rise. My interest in peptides are muscle recovery, appetite, the therapeutic aspects like sleep, and hopefully weight gain.

I've scoured this and other forums trying to figure out for myself a time/dosage schedule to follow/figure-out for my body type. The most I can find is someone elses regiment.

My questions involve dosages starting out to max dosages, the time of day, IM versus SubQ injection on all peptides, how the doses change or stay the same when taken bilaterally, and perhaps a little about why they are effective at certain times. Hopefully, some of you will know how to guide me based on my height and weight for a starting regiment and schedule, but Any information at all is appreciated. I've learned what I could in my research but I'm looking for a little help figuring this all out.

More info

My protein use is typically MASS Gainer. I use creatine monohydrate with Gatorade. I plan to take Milk Thistle, Potassium, Mixed Vitamins, B12, and Calcium and Magnesium.

My diet is on point. Oats in the AM, greens and white meat in the afternoon, Chicken or fish and rice in the evening. I alternate what proteins I eat in the evening but red meat I usually leave out.

I plan to work 5 days on and 2 off.

I hope you can all lend a hand. Thanks for taking the time. Talk soon

-T

 

[Megatron28]

What is your body fat %?

Honestly, it sounds like you desperately need a good diet so you can put some muscle on. And have you only been lifting weights for a year?

 

[Milton]

Welcome! are you eating any snacks? dont be afraid of red meat bro, its full of great proteins.

 

[tihtn]

Heyo,

Thanks for the quick responses.

According to an online body fat calculator I have 18% body fat. Seems a bit high, and afterall its only based on averages.

I'm not afraid of eating red meat and I don't purposely leave them out. I was just commenting on a recent trend. I do see some steak in my near future for those essential proteins. Thanks

I've always been athletic and active. I've always exercised and weight trained but for the past year my workouts have increased in weight and frequency. I've never strength trained as much as I have in the past year.

YES! I plan on snacking on cashews, assorted nuts, whatever small bits of good nutrition I can. It'll be difficult trying to keep an empty stomach for the injections but I'm sure we can figure something out that works.

 

[Hypnotix]

Yikes, 6ft 1in at 166 lbs.. no chemical will fix your lack of food.

Take what you're eating now, and double it, every serving you have listed. You aren't eating nearly enough to gain weight if all you can muster up is 166lbs..

 

[Megatron28]

How many calories are you eating daily on average? And how many grams of protein?

Are you getting 7-8 hours of sleep per night?

 

[woodc19]

Eat more, Eat More, Eat more , and build that solid base before putting chemicals into your body

 

[tihtn]

Thank you! I'm Absolutely in the process of building that solid base. When I was working out I admit my diet was at about 2500-3000 calories.

For the past three weeks I've been trying to maintain 4000 calories per day, 1800 of those being protein and 200 of those being fat. This is difficult to maintain but I've been religious about it. Some days I'm lucky to hit 3,800 but most days I go over with the contents of my snacking. In November I weighed 159. So I'm not completely hopeless lol

My sleep and appetite are equally abundant. I naturally have a strong appetite in the mornings and at night, it's the mid-day that requires the most effort to maintain. I have been taking naps at 2:30 until 3:30 every day sometimes every other day for the past year. I nap like a madman. At night I get typically anywhere from 6-8 hours on the nose. I'm a morning person and a night owl but I force myself to sleep at 1 or 2 am and to rise around 8 or 9. It's been that way as long as I can remember.

Using today as an example:

This morning @8am I had 4 eggs, 3 slices of turkey bacon, oatmeal, and 2 cups of coffee.

Protein and Creatine shake at 11am

Ate a banana at 12:30pm

@1pm I had a spinach salad with a can of Albacore, no dressing. Stewed tomato soup. An apple.

Just now @ 3pm I had a cup of granola and around 6 Tbsp of all natural peanut butter.

I'll snack on Cashews and Almonds at 5. Have some greek yogurt

At 6:30 Ill have two 8oz chicken breasts, 2 cups of jasmine rice wet, and steamed broccoli

I typically have granola cereal at night around 8pm, sometimes with dried blueberries or cranberries. Other days I'll do celery apples or a banana and peanut butter. Another protein shake before bed.

I've been at this for 3 weeks tomorrow. Its helping and I feel great. I'll be back at the gym tomorrow to jump start my system with crosstraining, next week I'll strength train and work toward a plateau. At the end of two weeks time from now I hope to start incorporating these peptides.

What'ya think? Thanks

-T

 

[Megatron28]

Thank you! I'm Absolutely in the process of building that solid base. When I was working out I admit my diet was at about 2500-3000 calories.

For the past three weeks I've been trying to maintain 4000 calories per day, 1800 of those being protein and 200 of those being fat. This is difficult to maintain but I've been religious about it. Some days I'm lucky to hit 3,800 but most days I go over with the contents of my snacking. In November I weighed 159. So I'm not completely hopeless lol

My sleep and appetite are equally abundant. I naturally have a strong appetite in the mornings and at night, it's the mid-day that requires the most effort to maintain. I have been taking naps at 2:30 until 3:30 every day sometimes every other day for the past year. I nap like a madman. At night I get typically anywhere from 6-8 hours on the nose. I'm a morning person and a night owl but I force myself to sleep at 1 or 2 am and to rise around 8 or 9. It's been that way as long as I can remember.

Using today as an example:

This morning @8am I had 4 eggs, 3 slices of turkey bacon, oatmeal, and 2 cups of coffee.

Protein and Creatine shake at 11am

Ate a banana at 12:30pm

@1pm I had a spinach salad with a can of Albacore, no dressing. Stewed tomato soup. An apple.

Just now @ 3pm I had a cup of granola and around 6 Tbsp of all natural peanut butter.

I'll snack on Cashews and Almonds at 5. Have some greek yogurt

At 6:30 Ill have two 8oz chicken breasts, 2 cups of jasmine rice wet, and steamed broccoli

I typically have granola cereal at night around 8pm, sometimes with dried blueberries or cranberries. Other days I'll do celery apples or a banana and peanut butter. Another protein shake before bed.

I've been at this for 3 weeks tomorrow. Its helping and I feel great. I'll be back at the gym tomorrow to jump start my system with crosstraining, next week I'll strength train and work toward a plateau. At the end of two weeks time from now I hope to start incorporating these peptides.

What'ya think? Thanks

-T

You should check your math. What you have listed as eating doesn't sound like it will get you to 450 grams of protein or 4000 calories.

 

[tihtn]

Today is a light-day, but I am above 3000 for today. I checked my math, I'm around 3200. With my shakes alone my intake is 200 grams for today. I realize it isn't 4000 but I was using it as an example of what some days are like. Obviously moving forward into tomorrow, when I incorporate exercise, I'll be more stringent on hitting 4000 from here on out. Needless to say I'm off to a good start. I was more or less making it clear that I'm setting a solid base with my diet. I'm At three weeks now and my body is conditioned for that kind of intake.

 

[tihtn]

I appreciate the words of caution and the help with my diet and tips about gaining weight but I still have yet to answer some of my original questions. I'm inching closer to the start of my peptide cycle and I'd like to gain as much information as I can before I start. Consider me forewarned and cautioned about food intake.

To reiterate my questions here they are from the starting thread:

My questions involve dosages starting out to max dosages, the time of day, IM versus SubQ injection on all peptides, how the doses change or stay the same when taken bilaterally, and perhaps a little about why they are effective at certain times. Hopefully, some of you will know how to guide me based on my height and weight for a starting regiment and schedule, but Any information at all is appreciated. I've learned what I could in my research but I'm looking for a little help figuring this all out.

 

[tihtn]

Apparently, this thread is dead.

 

[gymrat827]

Apparently, this thread is dead.

No. It isn't. But u just need cals. That's all, lots of gym time & food.

 

[tihtn]

Thanks gymrat827
Here's an update for this week (week 4)

Let me know if this isn't sufficient and what I need to change:

Jan 4 3200 cals (no shake) 25 min cardio rowing 45 min crosstraining full body
jan 5 3333 cals (no shake) 12 min cardio running (1.5 mi) 45 min strength train trapezius, shoulders
jan 6 4,016 cals 14 min cardio running (2.3 miles) 1.5 hours high-rep low weight pectoral bench, dumbbell extend (overhead) butterfly cables
jan 7 4,383 cals 25 min cardio rowing 45 min strength train calves, quads, hams, glutes
jan 8 3,735 cals (no shake) 12 min cardio 45 min low weight high rep forearms, bicps, triceps cables, free weights, body weight
jan 9 3,713 cals (no shake) OFF
jan 10 4,477 cals OFF

I use a super mass gainer for protein and cal intake. 1900 cals per shake. Take my creatine with a small Gatorade (120 cals) A few days ive tried to reach my 4000 mark without the shake with minimal-but-close results. Other days I simply ran out of food to eat lol. My gym time is above as well. working 5 days on 2 days of for the past 7 days.

I cant possibly guess what I'm missing here besides a higher average in calories (+400-800)

 

[tihtn]

Today, after being back in the gym for a week stretch and maintaining 3455 cals on average, I've introduced GHRP6 and CJC1295 in my system with a 50mcg dose on either side of my navel SubQ.


My understanding is the max dose of CJC1295 is 600mcg/wk given the longer halflife.

With the GHRP6 the halflife is smaller and 100-200mcg is the max dose per inj.

My question is what the progression of my dosage should be starting out these first two weeks.

I've started at 50mcg this afternoon on an empty stomach. Before the gym this evening, I plan on another 50mcg of GHRP6. Should I up the dosage to 100mcg?

For the CJC1295, can I up the dosage slightly to 100 pre-workout, and ultimately, should I make sure I'm staying within the 600mcg/wk max dosage?

-T

 

[bonexyster]

Today, after being back in the gym for a week stretch and maintaining 3455 cals on average, I've introduced GHRP6 and CJC1295 in my system with a 50mcg dose on either side of my navel SubQ.


My understanding is the max dose of CJC1295 is 600mcg/wk given the longer halflife.

With the GHRP6 the halflife is smaller and 100-200mcg is the max dose per inj.

My question is what the progression of my dosage should be starting out these first two weeks.

I've started at 50mcg this afternoon on an empty stomach. Before the gym this evening, I plan on another 50mcg of GHRP6. Should I up the dosage to 100mcg?

For the CJC1295, can I up the dosage slightly to 100 pre-workout, and ultimately, should I make sure I'm staying within the 600mcg/wk max dosage?

-T

At the beginning of working out your body makes a large pulse all on its own, don't waste it. Pin the peps 20 minutes before your workout is done, after completion of your workout consume postworkout nutrition.

Studies show 2tblsp of coconut oil directly preworkout increase the natural workout pulse 3x higher

 

[prairieboy84]

Thank you! I'm Absolutely in the process of building that solid base. When I was working out I admit my diet was at about 2500-3000 calories.

For the past three weeks I've been trying to maintain 4000 calories per day, 1800 of those being protein and 200 of those being fat. This is difficult to maintain but I've been religious about it. Some days I'm lucky to hit 3,800 but most days I go over with the contents of my snacking. In November I weighed 159. So I'm not completely hopeless lol

My sleep and appetite are equally abundant. I naturally have a strong appetite in the mornings and at night, it's the mid-day that requires the most effort to maintain. I have been taking naps at 2:30 until 3:30 every day sometimes every other day for the past year. I nap like a madman. At night I get typically anywhere from 6-8 hours on the nose. I'm a morning person and a night owl but I force myself to sleep at 1 or 2 am and to rise around 8 or 9. It's been that way as long as I can remember.

Using today as an example:

This morning @8am I had 4 eggs, 3 slices of turkey bacon, oatmeal, and 2 cups of coffee.

the fat content to protein ration of bacon is a poor choice of meat coffee is a diuretic eat your 6:30 meal for breakfast
Protein and Creatine shake at 11am

Ate a banana at 12:30pm

@1pm I had a spinach salad with a can of Albacore, no dressing. Stewed tomato soup. An apple.

Just now @ 3pm I had a cup of granola and around 6 Tbsp of all natural peanut butter.

I'll snack on Cashews and Almonds at 5snack on 1/2 cup brazil nuts through out the day instead more of a richer healthier nut Have some greek yogurt

At 6:30 Ill have two 8oz chicken breasts, 2 cups of jasmine rice wet, and steamed broccoli

you should eat this 3-4 times a day

I typically have granola cereal at night around 8pm, sometimes with dried blueberries or cranberries. Other days I'll do celery apples or a banana and peanut butter. Another protein shake before bed.

I've been at this for 3 weeks tomorrow. Its helping and I feel great. I'll be back at the gym tomorrow to jump start my system with crosstraining, next week I'll strength train and work toward a plateau. At the end of two weeks time from now I hope to start incorporating these peptides.

What'ya think? Thanks - stick to 5 meals a day not including snacks and protein shakes eat every 3 hours and snak in between.
protein shakes should be utilized in the morning around breakfast and post work out, your eating alot of unatural sodium also like others have said eat more meat .

i would drop all the peptides that you have listen and go for a more subtle aproach like sarms after 1 month of all that your gonna look like a pin cushion just the ghrp/cjc your gonna have to pin 3 times a day to see any effect from and you wont see nothing for atleast 3 months - 6 months to full utilize thats roughly 250 injections of only 2 compounds compare that to test - 24 injections for the same amount of time ive been through the whole peptide route - eat bulk up and find good gear youl like yourself more in the end trust me