NOVICE: Did my first cycle, currently finishing up post cycle therapy (pct) and looking for advice...

[Majere1313]

NOVICE: Did my first cycle, currently finishing up PCT and looking for advice...

I was a member of another forum and not getting any help. This forum looks promising so I wanna lay it all out there and get any advice anyone is willing to give. I have been on my own through this picking up bits and pieces of bro science from people probably not qualified to give advice and doing as much research online as I can. Here's my situation...

I am 32 years old. I am 5ft 9in tall I weighed 175lbs when I started my cycle. I have lifted on and off my whole life but most recently lifted pretty consistantly for about 1 year. Try as I might I just couldn't get past the 175lbs mark and get rid of the little bit of excess belly fat. I am sure that I made plenty of mistakes during this cycle because as I said, I didn't have much help.

Simply put it was this: 10 weeks of Tren E and Test E. Then I switched to 5.5 weeks of Tren E and Test C. I heard Test C was better for size and what did I know? So my cycle was 15.5 weeks. I did 200mgs of Tren each week and 600 mgs of Test. Two shots per week. 100mgs of Tren and 300mgs of Test. I stopped abruptly at 15.5 weeks. I was going to do 20 weeks but got freaked out by everyone on another forum telling me that I was going way way overboard and I was going to have all these horrible side affects.

When I stopped I didn't take anything except 3 pills of Erase per day for 14 days as I heard that that's the half life of Tren. After the 14 days I started a Clomid / Aromisin PCT.
Clomid: First 3 days 100 then 75/50/50/25
Aromison: 20/20/10/10
Also I pill of Erase each day as well bc I was scared of my estrogen converting.

It is important to note as well that I did have some bloodwork done at about the 10day mark in between my cycle and my post cycle therapy (pct). My testosterone was at around 750 which they said was on the high end. 800 being high and my estrogen was higher than normal at 191 with a number of 170 being the most it should be. When I told my doctor I was freaking out about that number she said "191 is high but don't be too concerned. It's not the worst I've seen. It's not like its 500." I don't know if she threw 500 out there as a real number or if she was exaggerating. OH and she said my liver was only slightly inflamed. I was taking Cycle Assist, not as often as I should, but now I take milk thistle daily.

I have 3 days left of PCT and I would like to say that as of right now I have NO side affects except acne. For the acne the doctor gave me Erythromycin 2% Topical Solution which helps a lot. I cut fat like crazy and gained about 10lbs of muscle. I know it should have been more but I didn't know about eating like crazy until towards the end of my cycle:-/ Wish I would have known I needed so many calories but like an idiot I was worried about getting fat. Anway, in two weeks off of my cycle I lost all the water weight and now I am 170lbs but I kept most of my strength. I look good so I feel like even though I'm not huge I am way stronger and cut compared to before. I'm not sure where my estrogen is now but I was thinking about seeing the endochronologist for a follow up soon.

Any feedback related to my bloodwork numbers? When I can I start my new cycle? I wanna get back on as soon as possible. Any suggestions? How stupid was I for doing 15.5 weeks on my first cycle and if it is so crazy as they say why didn't I have any problems? I know every person is different but damn people started freakin me out with all this gyno and ball shrivle talk. Also, I heard after the fact that I should have taken Aromidex (sp?) every day to keep estrogen down during my cycle? Is this true?

Thanks for all your help in advance. I am new to all this and look forward to any suggestions, warning, advice you have.

 

[Majere1313]

Help?

So what do I have to do to get a little advice here? There has got to be hundreds of people with enough experience.

 

[MN87]

Time off = time on + post cycle therapy (pct), is what I've always read

 

[cool dude]

First of all I think you were CRAAAAAZY to use tren your first go round LOL especially Tren E ! I understand we're all different but dude had u had just a couple of the potentially horrendous sides of tren it would've taken a while for that shit to get out of your system. Water under the bridge.
IMHO use Aromasin during cycle not through post cycle therapy (pct) and use clomid and nolva. How are your nuts doing. i didnt hear u using any hcg.
As far as your estrogen it is pretty high but in my opinion u wasted your money getting bloodwork at the time u did. What were u hoping to accomplish with that? I would do bloodwork6-8 wks after post cycle therapy (pct) when everything should be back to normal to see where levels are then. I hope that shed some light on things brother and keep in mind there are other opinions out there so dont take mine or any one elses as gospel. Continue doing research and just consider the advice given u.

 

[Majere1313]

Yeah I had no idea what I was doing except that the people I know that were doing it recommended it. I just finished my last Clomid yesterday and am thinking about continuing the Aromasin. The reason I got the blood work done is bc I was freaked out and wanted to seek the counsel of an actual doctor bc I didn't know what to believe or what to do. She recommended I take the Clomid and taper off which is what I did.

My balls seem to be fine and I am not having any erectile issues that I can tell. I didn't use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) bc I can't find proper instructions on how to use it and I don't wanna screw it up. As it was I screwed up a couple of my first injections of test/tren out of shear ignorance. I had a couple of huge purple bruises, a couple of huge knots...basically trial and error before I became good enough to do it right without bleeding in the upper outter area of my ass below the belt line. Can you possibly shoot me a link to a site that has Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) use instructions? I can't find them anywhere.

After it's all said and done I am a lot stronger than I was and noticeably more defined. I'm trying to maintain that right now. So I really have to wait another 21 weeks to start another cycle huh? That sucks. I know it's the safest thing to do so I'll do it but that's such a long time.

Thanks for the info guys.

 

[Hrnyfckr]

Seem like you did an ok job of your first cycle..... Despite your ignorance... Now my advice.... Read, read, read.... Everything you need to know is here on Ology. Tren is not usually a good choice for a firs cycle... But your dose was low.... You'll want to double it next time out. In fact, I'm on a test 600/wk- Tren 400/wk cycle right now. I do have sides from this... So research Tren, find out what the sides can be.... And prepare yourself with the proper medications on hand before you start.... I eat like a rodeo bull... And still, I find Tren gains to be more masculine and hard. Tren is magic shit that will transform your body... Not get you huge fast. I'm glad you can tolerate it... Some guys can't. I love the shit!

 

[Jack Tors]

4-5 months off after pct

run SARMs mk2866, igf1, ghrp6 or hgh if u can afford it

ur not the only one to run tren on first run not the end of the world seems like u recoved fine.

 

[noobmuscle]

Live and learn brother. The time to stop beating yourself up is now. Your cycle was 5 months so i would do 5 months off. That will also give you plenty of time to do research and really get your next one planned right! Good luck!

 

[johnnnny]

Live and Learn by NoobMuscle. You can stay on 500mg of testosterone FOREVER. Where does NoobMuscle know this? NoobMuscleMagazine! Of COURSE. A DISCOURSE ON "I HAVE NO IDEA< IM A PARROT"
BUT

Here is the deal. You aint got nothing to lose if you continue testosterone replacement.
The arimidex is to prevent the excess testosterone being hijacked and converted into an estrogen. Its an enzyme, aromatase enzyme. Makes guys with testoreone in guys with boobies

So all you have to do is take 1 of 2 things. Arimidex, that is an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) that blocks that fucking enzyme. Or an estrogen blocker like Nolvadex used for breast cancer

Get some fucking arimidex, have some nolva on hand if your nips get sensitive.. Letrozole is the cannon. But it will mess up your good/bad cholesterol. Which if you don't have a family history of heart attack *(15%)-- fuck it

 

[Majere1313]

Thanks for all the help guys. I really appreciate it!