pct: a question to understand

mtyson

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the pct standard is clomid and nolvadex. instead Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during the cycle.
clomid is important for the recovery of LH and FSH, while the nolva should regularize estrogen destroying those in excess.
but if during the cycle I have always taken an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) like aromasin or a-dex or femara, why I still need nolva for pct?
is not a problem! just out of curiosity!
 
Not how it works, mtyson.

There are 2 major components involved in recovery. Testosterone production and Spermatogenesis.

LH and FSH are both required for the equation. LH is produced by the pituitary and stimulates the Leydig cells to produce testosterone. Once testosterone is in production it works alongside FSH and stimulates sertoli cells to produce sperm. Sperm production is hindered if either of these are unhealthy. They both work in synergy. You need BOTH to be at healthy levels.

clomid has multiple effects. It's an anti-estrogen, so it obviously decreases the estrogenic effects in your body by stimulating the Hypothalamus back to life and sending gonadotropin releasing hormone (GnRH) to your pituitary, so that LH/FSH can be secreted.

Nolva boosts the effects of clomid because it put clomid into "competition" mode where they both fight for a receptors to bind to. This competitiveness will only occur with the presence of BOTH nolva/clomid, and will inevitably resolve the issue of excess estrogen in the Hypothalamus. This will trigger both LH and FSH to crank UP, as the high estrogen in this cluster is suppressive. This entire scenario is not as effective with only one drug.

Furthermore varying the compounds; Since we know both stimulate LH, what most don't know is that the act is different. clomid boosts the amplitude of LH serum, but has no effect on the frequency. Nolvadex is the complete opposite in that area, where it boosts the actual frequency of LH and has no effect on its amplitude. Clomid is also dominant in FSH production while Nolva is dominant with LH.

Some folks assume they're identical and overpowering... clomid is a mixed agonist/antagonist for the estradiol receptor. Nolva is also mixed, however.... it is a pure antagonist in the E receptor in breast tissue. There is a reason that clomid is not recommended for gynecomastia reversal, but Nolva is. There's also a reason why clomid is used to aid in fertility, and nolvadex is not.

Can you recover with just Nolvadex, or just clomid? Well, anything is possible. But why would you take that risk if the combination gives you a much better chance? To save a few bucks and risk your health? clomid when coupled with Nolvadex is clearly the safer choice over using either compound individually.
 
Everything that Austin said lol and the fact that aromasin and adex while used on cycle are used to inhibit the production of aromatase enzymes which then convert excess testosterone into estrogen. We use them bc elevated estrogen poses risks. Nolva is used in PCT for everything Austin mentioned. It does more than just block estrogen from binding to ER in breast tissue.
 
you could not be more accurate!! thank you very much

another thing: someone do: clomid 50/50/50/50 nolva 20/20/20/20
other: clomid 100/100/50/50 nolva 40/40/20/20
other: clomid 50/50/25/25 nolva 20/20/10/10

depends on what? by the length of the cycles? the doses?
 
you could not be more accurate!! thank you very much

another thing: someone do: clomid 50/50/50/50 nolva 20/20/20/20
other: clomid 100/100/50/50 nolva 40/40/20/20
other: clomid 50/50/25/25 nolva 20/20/10/10

depends on what? by the length of the cycles? the doses?

Really cycle dependant. Length plays a role but so does the compounds used. 1st week should be frontloaded and the rest should be dropped to about half the dose.

Check this thread out, lots of great info...

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/658874-juced-jimi-talk-juice.html
 
great! since then in a week I will begin the following cycle:
weeks 1-12: 500 mg test cyp
weeks 1-12: 500 mg deca
weeks 1-4: 40 mg diana ED
weeks 4-12: Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 1000 u.i
weeks 1-12: 12,5 aromasin ED

my pct should be:
weeks 14-17: clomid 100/50/50/50 nolva 40/20/20/20

you advice to continue nolva for 2 more weeks because there is a deca? what other steroids need this extension? I imagine the bolde ..
 
great! since then in a week I will begin the following cycle:
weeks 1-12: 500 mg test cyp
weeks 1-12: 500 mg deca
weeks 1-4: 40 mg diana ED
weeks 4-12: Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) 1000 u.i
weeks 1-12: 12,5 aromasin ED

my pct should be:
weeks 14-17: clomid 100/50/50/50 nolva 40/20/20/20

you advice to continue nolva for 2 more weeks because there is a deca? what other steroids need this extension? I imagine the bolde ..


We don't mention that word in front of Austin. It's akin to waving a piece of raw meat in front of a damn tiger or jungle cat. Please edit your post before he catches the scent :p. Sorry Austin you know I had too hahaha
 
Yes, but can you please list your full stats so that I can provide advice tailored to you and not generalized?
 
We don't mention that word in front of Austin. It's akin to waving a piece of raw meat in front of a damn tiger or jungle cat. Please edit your post before he catches the scent :p. Sorry Austin you know I had too hahaha

lol. Killing me.
 
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