Question about running 2 19nors (ie deca and tren)

[bignewf]

hey guys
so I know you shouldn't run two 19nor compounds, due to out of control prolactin among other things. lately however ive seen several threads popping up containing both in a cycle, at a relatively high dose ( around 600mg of each), with a low test dose as a base (around 250mg)

with that said ive been doing some research and would like some more experienced members (especially Austin seeing you have experience with running low doses of deca year round) to chime in on my theory .

ok so I guess slow or fast acting dosent matter for my theory so ill go with slow
600mg test-e a week
400mg tren-e a week
200mg deca a week

would such a low dose of deca, with a moderate tren and test dose still cause issues?

just wondering as I find deca great on the joints (currently running 600mg t400 and 400mg deca), but have been talking to some friends and they find they get joint pain while running tren (I guess due to the increase in strength). this concerns me when considering future cycles and just trying to figure some things out.

obviously prami and an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) would be ran on cycle (maybe even a slightly higher dose of prami?)

thanks guys, just trying to clear up some thoughts

 

[toco]

I don't understand how its any harder to control prolactin running deca and tren together as opposed to one or the other? I don't think prolactin just all of a sudden goes out of range. Especially with frequent bloods and using PA. If anything people probably don't advise running the 2 together because recovery is going to be a bitch. I know of fellas who have run tren and test and recovered fine, then ran deca and tren together and regret doing so due to the recovery. .

 

[bignewf]

thanks for the input man. I have seen that on several threads, but everything ive read has been at higher doses, do you think recovery would still be an issue at such a low dose?

 

[Rumpy]

We're in the same boat, I don't want to give up my deca, but I want to try tren next time too. I've also seen a few contradictory things so I hope we get a clear answer here.

 

[Uso]

I'm no expert but I'd say running both at low doses wouldn't be a problem. I think the problem arises when someone runs them both at a high dose.

I'll personally be running this cycle soon:
prop 600mg
tren e 400mg
deca 200mg

 

[Austin1]

Why not? You'd run 2 DHT derivatives, wouldn't you?

 

[Rumpy]

I guess my question is more if you just dose them each individually or if they are additive/interact in any way. The old rule of thumb is to keep test higher than deca, but does this have any effect on how you run tren or vice versa?

 

[Austin1]

They can be used together. The rule of thumb is what works for you. Problem is (assuming Trenbolone worked for me), is that I would require high testosterone with trenbolone to stabilize the disruption it causes to the sympathetic nervous system, thus preventing the side effects. Where with nandrolone, I prefer super low doses of testosterone in order to manage e2 easily, thus preventing progestin side effects.

Yin and Yang. Luckily for me, Trenbolone does not work for me so I don't have to make the decision.

This would be trial and error for everyone really. I would recommend meeting the 2 doses half way. So if a low dose is 200 and a high dose is 600, run testosterone at 400mg and see what happens.

 

[Austin1]

Well it's late, so of course I missed an important note here... low doses of Tamoxifen/Nolvadex on cycle wouldn't hurt.

 

[bignewf]

thanks for the input Austin.. yea I guessed it would be different for each individual.. guess ill have to wait and see for sure, thanks again

 

[Rumpy]

Well it's late, so of course I missed an important note here... low doses of Tamoxifen/Nolvadex on cycle wouldn't hurt.

In addition to an AI?

 

[Austin1]

In addition to an AI?

Yes sir.

 

[KingPen]

Yes sir.

Reasoning behind the Serm therapy on cycle, if you may?

 

[Austin1]

Reasoning behind the Serm therapy on cycle, if you may?

Preventative more than therapy really. But it's to down-regulate progesterone receptors and improve cholesterol, both of which are affected by progestins.

 

[Rida5d]

Well it's late, so of course I missed an important note here... low doses of Tamoxifen/Nolvadex on cycle wouldn't hurt.

Looks like everything we were hearing about using nolvadex while on 19 Nors was some serious BS, I never had the balls to try it out..i dont like taking risks, but Guys at my gym, don't know what an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is which is pretty much dumb, anyways they still do things the same old way.. Nolvadex used on cycle and I was pretty much surprised that they had no gyno issues when doing things the wrong way..
What I want to say is that an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is a must, but nolvadex with a 19 nor doesn't seem like a big issue.
I'm not urging anyone to do it or not, I just pointed out my observation from the real life practice.