question for anyone that has used Anastrozole

[saphire]

Okay so why do it and how much does a female do everyday? Is a 4 week cycle long enough to get a good result?...Saphire

 

[GymLift]

Okay so why do it and how much does a female do everyday? Is a 4 week cycle long enough to get a good result?...Saphire

Unless you are post-menopausal, then you shouldn't take it at all. Anastrozole (Arimidex) is only indicated for post-menopausal women because it pushes estrogen way down. We guys use it at very small dosages to keep estrogen at resonable levels and thus avoid the feminizing effects of it .... not a problem for women. But on the flip side of the coin women try and avoid steroids with too much of masculizing effects and stick to things like Anavar.

 

[saphire]

I am not post-menopausal...If guys use it to push down there own estrogen levels then you use it to cut? Right... So if I am not post menopausal why would the effect not be the same? I am telling my receptors you are not making this hormone for a minute and therefore my fat will burn easier? Okay maybe a board shape figure sortof but...Does this make sence?... Thanks for the responce SAPHIRE

 

[GymLift]

I am not post-menopausal...If guys use it to push down there own estrogen levels then you use it to cut? Right... So if I am not post menopausal why would the effect not be the same? I am telling my receptors you are not making this hormone for a minute and therefore my fat will burn easier? Okay maybe a board shape figure sortof but...Does this make sence?... Thanks for the responce SAPHIRE

I'm surprised that none of the women here have spoken up yet. They prolly just haven't gotten around to it, but they may know more than me.

Most guys take that stuff to prevent from getting gyno. When cutting and going for a cut look, getting rid of the estrogen means the guy retains less water, which gives more definition. But it doesn't make fat loss any easier with some possible small exceptions. If you want that, then you need something like clen or ephedrine.

I'm not sure what happens to a pre-menopausal women that takes an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) but I can't imagine it is good, in particular for the reproductive system.

 

[TOOLifter]

I'd like to hear some of the female views on this...I know a national competitor who uses Nolvadex 8 weeks out to help with fat loss by blocking estrogen receptors on estrogen sensitive fat cells--she swears by it. A-dex works in a different mechanism I know, but in small bursts would it have an even greater impact on fat loss I wonder? Ladies?

Saphire- check your email kid...

 

[saphire]

mranak...Thanks for the push to get the women to speak up. Maybe none of them have done this so no one really knows. I will give the feed back in about 4weeks. You are great thanks for the input much appreciated.

 

[saphire]

TOOLIFTER Well guess we'll see what happens. Maybe by Monday Some of the ladies will chime in. I did check my email. Thanks

 

[newgoal300]

ladies, arimidex is a aromtase inhibitor, it stops testosterone from being converted to estogen, so for a woman it wouldn't be as effective as nolvadex which would block the estrogen from the receptor, thus causing the desired effect, get the drift here? let me know if you ladies need some more help cause i've helped many of women and an ex, on contest prep.....thanks

 

[GymLift]

I'm sure as hell not going to tell any of you what to do, but I have to mention that this stuff makes me really uncomfortable. If you eliminate estrogen from your system or block estrogen from certain tissues (as is the case with Nolvadex), then you can starve off those tissues.

Maybe I'll see if I can dig up some information on this subject.

I'll say this at least for now; if you are concerned about maintaining fertility, even after you discontinue the Aromatase inhibitor (AI), then you shouldn't use the Aromatase inhibitor (AI), or at least until we find some more information.

Experimenting with the human body can have some serious consequences.

Regardless of everything, good luck.

 

[GymLift]

This doesn't really clarify much for me, but:

(reference) In premenopausal women, AIs increase gonadotropin secretion because of the reduced estrogen-negative feedback on the hypothalamus and pituitary.26 For that reason, AIs have been tried in combination with a gonadotropin-releasing-hormone agonist to suppress ovarian function.27 Obviously, AIs alone are contraindicated in premenopausal women with breast cancer who have normal ovarian function.

 

[GymLift]

Might have more luck with Nolvadex (tamoxifen):

http://www.susanlovemd.org/faq/aromatase-inhibitors/aromatase-postmenopause.html

Aromatase inhibitors are hormonal therapies that are used to treat women with hormone-positive (ER-positive or PR-positive) tumors. The aromatase inhibitors work by blocking the aromatase enzyme, which converts androgens into estrogen. Although pre-and postmenopausal women can use tamoxifen as hormonal therapy, only postmenopausal women can use an aromatase inhibitor. That's because postmenopausal women get most of their estrogen from the conversion of androgens into estrogen by the aromatase enzyme, while premenopausal women get most of their estrogen directly from their ovaries.

 

[saphire]

Thank you all for the words I am still suprised that females are not jumping on this. Oh well ....newgoal300 excellent info..and as always mranak your info is always helpful thanks....Saphire

 

[BADKITTY]

hey girl! i've been gone for awhile; sorry i didnt get to this sooner. ok first off, why are you taking an estrogen blocker? are you getting ready for a show? that is the only time i've heard of them being used, and even then only sparingly and for the last few weeks before a comp to dry out and harden up.
i would strongly discourage you from taking blockers/inhibitors except during contest prep. they are NOT a good idea if you are on birth control either; they will make your BC ineffective. you also run the risk of having a MAJOR estrogen rebound after you come off, even with a good taper. so IMHO you should stay away from blockers/inhibitors- a good clean diet and cardio should harden you up nicely. hope that helped; sorry it took me so long
~MINX

 

[saphire]

MINX.......Girlfriend .....where have you been? Okay let me clarify what I am trying to find out. I have been thinking toooooo much. I understand the rebound the BC issue.The pre-contest deal...I just need to know why one is better than the other arimidex or novladex? I understand that arimidex stops production of estrogen while novaldex blocks it from the receptors. I am thinking that if arimidex stops test from turning into estrogen in men then we as women have test in us too and the same thing would happen on a smaller scale. I am asking? Is that right? So instead of EVER using test which by the way I never will I do not want to be a she/he/it. I want to stay beautiful and female! Yet if my own body produces test then it would be magnified? If estrogen production is stopped? Also the female fat areas....would be targeted and yes a clean diet and cardio! Yes absolutly understood! On the other hand if a female uses Nolvadex for cutting purposes then the estrogen is still being produced but the receptors are not receiving it. Why is one better than the other? I got a bit of feed back as you can see but they are all tooooooo concerned about post pre menopausal females and the scientific reason of these two items...Except ToolLifter. I want to know what happens? I hope I made sence out of this. If not PM me I will try again. Glad your back.... Saphire

 

[BADKITTY]

ok... girl i have been so busy! sorry i have been working my ass off recently. but i am here for you NOW! hah. i went ahead and posted this in the anabolic forum, so hopefully the chemical gurus will come pouring in with their opinions lol.. good luck girl!
~MINX

 

[GymLift]

Yes, the Arimdiex will stop the conversion of testosterone to estrogen in women, but since you are premenopausal, most of your estrogen comes directly from the ovaries...and Arimidex won't do anything to stop that. Thus, using Arimidex isn't really going to be effective at all, unless you also take something to stop the ovaries from producing estrogen.

 

[saphire]

Mranak....So are you telling me that nolvadex will do that? Stop the ovaries from producing estrogen? Or that because nov actually shuts down the reseptors that,that would create the result of stoping estrogen into the system? So that is why nov is a better idea than arimidex? For women? Is there anything that is specific to stop the estrogen from the ovaries? or if you stack the two? Then what? Am I nuts? just trying to understand. Saphire

 

[GymLift]

"For a premenopausal (still menstruating post chemotherapy) woman to take an aromatase inhibitor, she must also take a drug that will put her into temporary menopause by suppressing ovarian functioning and decreasing her estrogen levels, or have her ovaries removed (oophorectomy). The drugs most commonly used for this purpose are Zoladex (goserelin), Lupron, and Triptorelin."
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Nolvadex isn't going to stop anything in your body from producing estrogen. But it will effectively block estrogen from _certain_ receptors. But that isn't going to help much with water retention and, AFAIK, it may not help estrogen-related fat deposits either.

I don't think that Anastrozole is going to do anything and I'm not sure what effect the Nolvadex will have.

 

[saphire]

mranak..... does it make sense that if test is NOT turned into estrogen in a guy and his own test is elivated then it would do the same or close in a women. It is known that women have used Nolvadex as a cutting agent then the two combined would prove to be interesting more natural test and blocking estrogen from the receptors? Strange thought? ..What do you think? Saphire

 

[GymLift]

mranak..... does it make sense that if test is NOT turned into estrogen in a guy and his own test is elivated then it would do the same or close in a women.

The primary reason that testosterone is elevated in a man when using an aromatase inhibitor is that less estrogen means less negative feedback to the HPTA, thus more testosterone is produced. I suppose that less conversion from testosterone to estrogen does mean more testosterone, but I understand this to be insignificant in men. In women, I am not sure.

It is known that women have used Nolvadex as a cutting agent then the two combined would prove to be interesting more natural test and blocking estrogen from the receptors? Strange thought? ..What do you think? Saphire

Interesting thoughts, but I just don't know the answers. I just don't understand female endocrinology very well, and unfortunately, I'm not alone here.