Question on GH/Slin Usage for the vets

[infar250]

ok guys, first off let me say that i am not going to be takin gh/slin yet...... this is still a vast world that i have yet to be educated on since timed injections play a key role in growth. I am still doing my homework but i just come into road bump questions like these where i would like some more enlightenment for those who have had prior experience (long time users)......Ok over on meso and anabolex people are saying that 2 iu of gh a day using the 5 on 2 off method is a great dosage for the first time user using GH and then from there you can work up on future cycle doses......... now my first question is

Should GH be injected 2x a day at 1IU or just all at once at like 2IU per se in the afternoon..... and at most what is the minimal time span for one to cycle gh to reach peak results...... I know this shit is expensive but i am hearing people say 3 month cycles are best and then i hear others saying that 5-6 month cycles are the best.

ok....... now that the gh question is outta the way..... we move onto insulin....... insulin scares me everyone i talk to tells me it's playing with death so this scares the shit outta me...... i know that humolog peaks like 1/2 hour after an injection and humalin r peaks 2-3 hours after injection...... now my question is that i am a fucken pussy when it comes to this maybe my theory will change after i start using it.... but would 2 iu of insulin post workout be sufficient enough to run with the gh...... i know thats not alot but i just wanna find out the reaction i have from it......... and since exo GH surpesses IGF it's better to hve some slin than no slin........... as you can see i am still doing my HW and am far from even using GH or SLIN......... someone educate me on this.....
thanks

 

[hhajdo]

According to this study, injecting twice a day may give higher IGF-1 level:


Clin Endocrinol (Oxf) 1994 Sep;41(3):337-43 Related Articles, Links


Metabolic effects of growth hormone administered subcutaneously once or twice daily to growth hormone deficient adults.

Laursen T, Jorgensen JO, Christiansen JS.

Medical Department M (Diabetes and Endocrinology), Aarhus Kommunehospital, Denmark.

OBJECTIVE: The aim of this study was to compare the metabolic effects of GH administered subcutaneously either once or twice daily. The actions of GH might depend upon a pulsatile pattern of serum GH. Pulsatile and continuous intravenous delivery of GH, however, induce similar short-term metabolic effects in GH deficient patients. An improved growth response is obtained in GH deficient children when a fixed weekly GH dose is administered by daily subcutaneous injections instead of twice or thrice-weekly intramuscular injections. A more pulsatile pattern and serum GH levels above zero might be achieved by further increasing the injection frequency. Increased daytime GH levels might, however, adversely affect the circadian patterns of metabolic indices, which have been demonstrated to be more successfully reproduced by evening compared with morning GH administration. DESIGN AND MEASUREMENTS: In a cross-over study, 8 GH deficient patients (age 16-43 years) were treated with 3 IU/m2/24 h of human GH. The dose was injected in the evening for 4 weeks and for another 4 weeks two-thirds was injected in the evening and one-third in the morning. At the end of each period the patients were admitted to the hospital for 37 hours. Steady-state profiles of GH, IGF-I, IGF binding proteins 1 and 3, insulin, glucose, lipid intermediates and metabolites were obtained following administration of 3 IU/m2 of GH (at 1900 h (one injection) and at 1900 and 0800 h (two injections)). RESULTS: Similar mean integrated levels of serum GH (mU/l) were obtained (7.46 +/- 0.84 (one injection) vs 6.46 +/- 0.62 (two injections) (P = 0.15)). Mean levels +/- SEM of serum IGF-I (micrograms/l) were significantly increased (P < 0.01) following two daily GH injections (330.3 +/- 48.1 (one injection) vs 399.1 +/- 53.0 (two injections)). Serum IGFBP-3 levels were not significantly different on the two occasions, while levels of the GH independent IGFBP-1 (micrograms/l) were slightly but significantly lower following twice-daily GH injections (1.61 +/- 0.42 vs 1.13 +/- 0.56, respectively (P < 0.04)). The pattern of IGFBP-1 was opposite to that of insulin. Similar levels of insulin and glucose were obtained with both GH regimens, while levels of non-esterified fatty acids were significantly higher following once-daily GH injection (P < 0.001). CONCLUSIONS: Twice-daily GH injections, apart from producing a more physiological serum GH profile, were superior to one injection in increasing serum IGF-I and decreasing IGFBP-1 levels. Both of these changes tend to amplify the effects of the administered GH. Twice-daily injections, however, resulted in lower night-time levels of lipid intermediates.


If you can afford it use it ED.

Insulin resistance may or may not be an issue, so you don't have to use insulin.

Exercise can significantly increase insulin sensitivity, endurance exercise is better than resistance exercise for that purpose.

ALA can help also...

I've seen one study on GH done on active subjects who performed resistance training.
It lasted for six weeks, and they used 18IU's of GH per week.
There were no signs of hyperglycemia:

from:
Body composition response to exogenous GH during training in highly conditioned adults

DOUGLAS M. CRIST, GLENN T. PEAKE,? PETER A. EGAN, AND DEBRA L. WATERS
Department of Medicine, Division of Endocrinology and Metabolism, The University of New Mexico
School of Medicine, Albuquerque, New Mexico 87131

..."There are two principal adverse reactions associated with excessive amounts of human GH, carbohydrate intolerance, and soft-tissue overgrowth. In the present study, we measured fasting blood glucose levels periodically throughout each treatment and found no real changes suggestive of a hyperglycemic response to methGH..."