Question on Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and post cycle recovery!!!

[TechChemY]

Question on HCG and post cycle recovery!!!

alright guys....this may be beating a dead horse but I need a solid answer for this.

I realize that Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) shuts you down....so doesn't that mean you should NOT use it as post recovery? or should you use it before clomid??? wouldn't it basically cancel out the use of clomid?

for example....after an enanthate cycle....should you use it for the two weeks that you're waiting for the test to run out of your system?

i.e.

wks 1-10 enanthate 500 mgs/wk
wks 11+12 500 ius/ed (or just week 12)
wks 13-15 clomid therapy 300/100/50

btw...I'm aware of the fact that I can take it throughout the cycle...so no wasted comments on that please

(this is not a personal cycle....just an example)

 

[AustinTX]

So why not use 500 IUs 2x a week during your cycle??

I'd move the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to week 10 & 11; or just use it all week 11.

Most recommend not running it more than a week past your cycle, and letting things start to go back to normal on their own before hitting the clomid.

 

[Juice Authority]

Re: Question on HCG and post cycle recovery!!!

alright guys....this may be beating a dead horse but I need a solid answer for this.

I realize that Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) shuts you down....so doesn't that mean you should NOT use it as post recovery? or should you use it before clomid??? wouldn't it basically cancel out the use of clomid?

for example....after an enanthate cycle....should you use it for the two weeks that you're waiting for the test to run out of your system?

i.e.

wks 1-10 enanthate 500 mgs/wk
wks 11+12 500 ius/ed (or just week 12)
wks 13-15 clomid therapy 300/100/50

btw...I'm aware of the fact that I can take it throughout the cycle...so no wasted comments on that please

(this is not a personal cycle....just an example)

Ideally you want both your anti-estrogen treatment and your Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to start near the beginning of your last week.

Week 1-10 : cycle

Week 10,11,12 : Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), but try a less frequent pattern as I'm learning that this is a better approach than the typical 500iu's ed for 20 days approach. I'm sure LAWNSAVER would disagree though.

For reasons I can't explain, some people react better to a less frequent dosing, others to more frequent dosing. Instead of 500 ed, you could go for 1500 every 3 days, or 3000/3000/1500/1500 every 5 days. You might find that more effective.

Start the Nolva week 10 at a steady 20 mg and continue to run it until you come off the clomid. Remember that Nolva offers us the distinct advantage of sensitizing LH response to GnRH.

Start the clomid at a dose of 150 mg for weeks 12 and 13, then lower it to 100 for weeks 14 and 15.

I would also consider the use of 50 mg of the anti-androgen spironolactone during week 12 to speed up the progress.

The only flaw in this is that you may feel a little down in weeks 12 and 13.

 

[Brock Landers]

Juice- What if you weren't goin to use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for post cycle recovery? How would you suggest running the nolva/clomid combination. Obviously I'm guessing since there is no Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), you wouldn't begin running hte nolva during week 10 as stated above. (since there is no Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), no need for an anti estrogen to offset any gyno that Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) may cause). At what week/dosage would you think would be ideal to begin with. Any input from anyone would be great Thanks bros

 

[Juice Authority]

Juice- What if you weren't goin to use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for post cycle recovery? How would you suggest running the nolva/clomid combination. Obviously I'm guessing since there is no Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), you wouldn't begin running hte nolva during week 10 as stated above. (since there is no Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), no need for an anti estrogen to offset any gyno that Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) may cause). At what week/dosage would you think would be ideal to begin with. Any input from anyone would be great Thanks bros

You're going to get different opinions on this but my feeling is to start clomid a tad earlier than the standard two weeks after your last shot of Enan.

Clomid/Nolva will already be increasing sensitivity in this stage, and preventing the build-up of estrogens from the products you used. The clearance time for enan is actually longer than two weeks, but after the first week for test, the release will be minimal, unless you are megadosing it should be under baseline at this point.

I plan to run Nolva at 20mg's ed through the rest of my cycle and until I'm done with clomid therapy. I'm going to start the clomid one week after my last shot of Enan. I'm going to take clomid at a dose of 150 mg for weeks 12 and 13, then lower it to 100 for weeks 14 and 15.