Research on Level of Test and Cardiovascular Issues?
- Thread starter prudens
- Start date
Megatron28
Moderator
I know that TT that is too low has serious cardiovascular risks. I have read that too high can enlarge the heart. I Don t feel like searching Google for the literature though. It is out there though if you do a search.
yellowballs
New member
So TT too low = cardiac risks, TT too high = cardiac risks, TT just right= NO cardiac risks.
What would this sweet spot look like on a blood test, btween 500 & 1000??
Megatron28
Moderator
In the normal range.
yellowballs
New member
Yeah but according to what they consider normal is like 200 - 1800. By they , I mean Drs. My first BW cam up with my test at 290 and my doc said "your fine!" "you are in range"!
Alpin
New member
Normal range does not go to 1800....more like 1100 (and even that is generous)
Did your doc offer you Wellbutrin too???
If you keep on your doc about low energy, low sex drive, your doc will say you are "depressed" and that you should see a psychologist.
Docs like this are NOT looking out for your best interests...they are looking out for their own and I'll tell you why...
they know increasing your T levels will help you dramatically....but they want the quicker easier option of managing your "depression"...
A lot of G.P.'s don't want to bother getting involved with hormones....its just too much work for them and they don't get paid any more for looking after you that way....feelin what I'm saying?
they will offer you Anti D's to mask the symptoms but they will not look to treat or find the cause.
I've been through all this man!!!!!
I know!!!
yellowballs
New member
No he offered nothing. He said as long as Im in range Im ok. That was my 1st BW , then I started reading ology and realized 290 is shit. So I went to the right kind of Dr. Ran my BW and it was 313, I made a joke and said that its getting better, the new Dr didnt laugh. He said its very low for my age. Put me on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) and Im feeling good again.
I believe everything you wrote tho......well said!
I believe everything you wrote tho......well said!
Alpin
New member
Many people don't like to hear my point of view, many disagree with me. That's o.k.
I'm not here to engage people into B.S. like some have claimed I do...
I have better things to do with my time.
I've gone through all of this and know what the mainstream Docs, Endo's are like.
Whenever you go into ANY Doc on this issue...do not mention ay ANY time that you read about any info off a Steroid discussion board.
Believe it or not...there are a lot of guys on these boards that know more than A LOT of Docs out there on post cycle therapy (pct), testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) e.t.c. and that does not sit well with the average ego of a medical doctor. They act like they are God with your body. G.P.'s are really big on psychotropics, Anti -D's for getting your well being going...the blanket diagnosis is "depression"...but they care little about the cause...just the symptoms.
If you are in the Low 300's T.T. You are usually quickly dismissed and your entire case about increasing your T is usually ignored. My G.P. told me he can do what a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) doc can do BUT with Anti-D's...
says if he increases the brain chemicals of a person...it is identical in function to supplemental T.
You can't entertain b.s. like this....
Last edited:
Gbrad
Member
I personally experienced what you are saying about PC Dr recommending depression Meds as treatment. It isn't cynical to think that way. It is simply reality. I have worked in the industry, not a Dr, for nearly 15 yrs. I do think age management med will get a lot more mainstream though.
Megatron28
Moderator
Yes, there are bad doctors out there, but most of them are decent and mean well. They may not fully understand testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), but that does not mean they have it in for you.
Alpin
New member
Never implied any Doc had anything out for me or anyone else for that matter.
They are looking after their own best interests as well. This is not rocket science...
A Medical practice that is composed of Anti Depressants as a cure all drug or foundation is far more appealing to a G.P. than the possible realistic complications of prescribing exogenous hormones in order to optimize the patients hormonal status.
Alpin
New member
I'm willing to bet 9.9 times out of 10... that any patient who is in the range of 300-450 ng/dl for T.T. will be pushed onto Wellbutrin by their G.P. as a treatment for their diminished mood, energy and libido.
yellowballs
New member
Well look at my case. My doc offered nothing. He said Im fine. Didnt try too push nothing on me as far as anti-D's .
But I bet if I asked for anything from Adderall to viagra to wellbutrin , as long as I answered his questions accurately , he would have prescribed them.
Like Mega said, they mean well but Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) is beyond them.
Megatron28
Moderator
I think most doctors actually want to help their patients feel better and solve the underlying problem if they can. Maybe they don't always know the best way to do that - especially with TRT - but I do believe most docs genuinely want to help and do no harm.
Alpin
New member
Same here...doc offered nothing.
Never even offered Cialis after he REPEATEDLY asked about my erections...
That's Socialized medicine for you.
No research to add, but I have been in trt for over a year at 1100 and will be going to a cardiologist Wed to find put why I now have an irreguar heartbeat and my bp has been between 140-100 and 165-115 for the past 4 months. Not a winning recipe for an airline pilot. I donated blood a while back and my blood work has been perfect. I workout 3 days/week, 6' 205#s.
Only thing I know is we ran my lh last week and it is Nil. Urologist this week for Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) IF the cardiologist gives me good news. I like feeling better but not feeling dead so if they tell me to stop trt I guess I go from there.
I will let you know what he says
Megatron28
Moderator
There are some great medications out there for lowering blood pressure. You don't have to go off TRT just because your blood pressure has gone up. And blood pressure can increase for lots of reasons. It isn't necessarily related to your TRT.
Your LH is supposed to be nil while on TRT. You are getting your testosterone from a bottle so your body doesn't produces natty anymore. Thus the near-zero LH.
Make sure you check your estradiol. That can increase blood pressure if it gets too high. That may be why you are not feeling good in general.
Last edited:
Alpin
New member
I'm not sure I'm following your post....
Did you request your urologist for the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) ? or is Your urologist going to prescribe the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) pending approval from cardiologist?
and this is in an attempt to raise LH?
HCG won't raise endogenous LH...it suppresses it like TRT!
Sorry guys let me be more specific. My Estradiol is fine, well in range. The problem I have is, My BP skyrocketed over the last several months. I cannot take BP meds as an airline pilot. I also cannot have an irregular EKG, Which I just had on my 6 month Aviation flight Physical. I have been having an irregular beat.....(Bum Bum.....bum.......bum bum.......bum..........bum......) for the past several months also. I went and donated blood which was nearly impossible given my irregular beat. No one wanted to touch me. I was denied 3 times at the Blood center. Finally they took it. No change in BP. No change in Heart beat.
My doc started with the 200mg/2weeks. I learned from here why I cried at hallmark commercials and actually went to 40mg 2x/ week. It made me feel perfect. Been doing that for several months. Now this heart crap is on me and I have a few months before my next flight Physical to get it worked out before the FAA freaks and grounds me.
I DO NOT take test to bulk up, although it has been nice to see gains at the gym. I take it because I felt like shit. Never had any sex drive problems and my wife is a 2x per day when I am home, (Hopefully not while I am gone, LOL). I just had no energy and brain fog.
I am going to a Urologist to get on a program that I feel I need to be on with his blessing and find out if I am primary or secondary. I am hoping on Test, Occasional HCG, (so I can have my nuts back) and an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). This seems to be what works best for most on here. I know everyone is different.
Cardiologist is to find out WTF is going on with my ticker and if it is related to test or not.
My doc started with the 200mg/2weeks. I learned from here why I cried at hallmark commercials and actually went to 40mg 2x/ week. It made me feel perfect. Been doing that for several months. Now this heart crap is on me and I have a few months before my next flight Physical to get it worked out before the FAA freaks and grounds me.
I DO NOT take test to bulk up, although it has been nice to see gains at the gym. I take it because I felt like shit. Never had any sex drive problems and my wife is a 2x per day when I am home, (Hopefully not while I am gone, LOL). I just had no energy and brain fog.
I am going to a Urologist to get on a program that I feel I need to be on with his blessing and find out if I am primary or secondary. I am hoping on Test, Occasional HCG, (so I can have my nuts back) and an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). This seems to be what works best for most on here. I know everyone is different.
Cardiologist is to find out WTF is going on with my ticker and if it is related to test or not.
Similar threads
