Testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) been great so far! BUT, just have a couple questions and THANX to THE-DET-OAK

[Gr8Wall]

TRT been great so far! BUT, just have a couple questions and THANX to THE-DET-OAK

Well, been on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for about 14 weeks and been feeling wonderful again. Doc wrote me script and wanted me to go with 200mg/wk with once weekly injections. Here are my experiences so far.

First couple weeks went without Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and soon realized i had to have it as i was getting major estro sides with painful nips and much water retention. I am using aromasin at 6mgs per day . I think it may have been too much according to last bloodwork.

Had bloodwork taken about 8 weeks ago and it was taken on 7th day right before my next shot. My test level was at 825 and estrogen at a 5
Test 825
Estrogen 5
This was with me doing a dosage of about 150mg per week and not the 200. Afterwards i decided to go with 200mg per week just to see how i felt but at 150 per week i did feel good.

Well fast forward to now. Since then been going with 200mg per week one shot per week on mondays. Been taking aromasin on Mon, Tuesday, Thurs. and Saturday now at 6mg each of those 4 days with nothing on other days. I just had blood work done couple days ago and can tell estrogen is not too high as ive become good at judging this and am not having joint pain as if it were way low but the results will tell i guess. Like to get estropgen in 20 range i guess if possible so hopefully with backing off a few days on the aromasin and upping test dosage slightly it will get estrogen to levels im hoping for.

In any event doc offered Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) but really havent wanted it. Testicle shrinkage has been very minimal if any and really dont want to add anything else in to be honest. he seemed to not care if i didnt use the HCG.

My major thought or questions are with me using 150mg per week on 7th day my test level waas 825 so im guessing for most of week i was in 1100 --1200 range possibly? I normally feel super great and energized like i was 20 again all week and into weekend but feel it ever so slightly wear off on 7th day. I am wondering if you think that if i went with a 2 day per week injection schedule if i would be happier? Im guessing since i wouldnt inject quite as much my test level would not raise as high after each injection...Am i right assuming that? Just kind of looking for ideas or input as to what you personally believe or have experienced but for the most part been 99% happy with once per week. Im just curious and have that wondering if the grass is greener on the other side issue about twice per week........?

THE-DET-OAK Just wanted to say thank you for getting me through first few weeks as i was so frustarted i was about to quit but you made me feel better when you answered a couple of my whining rants. You are seriously a good knowledegable and solid dude. You and my doc are all i feel i need anymore for advice and input. I would love any thoughts you may have on my current questions including the injection schedule and also the estrogen issue on where you think i should be at. I realize you have said in past on injection frequency that once per week in your opinion could be totally fine but i guess just curious to hear anymore input you may have on my thoughts of breaking up dosage and wondering if i would feel less as good or not or really not going to feel enough difference to make a difference and might as well dont try to fix what isnt broken on the frequency. Thanks so much man!

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Thanks I appreciate the compliment, I always try to help everyone regardless of where they are getting there meds. I just have to be careful because I am not a physician and certain liabilities come into play So please consult your physician before starting or embarking on any therapeutic program

Ok now we got that out of the way E at 5 is too low, more so because it will suppress your SHBG when you drive it down low like that. The next test you got was a 20, was that a sensitive test? the reason being if it is just estradiol not sensitive it will read a lil higher than it really is, for instance if 20 was the score on non sensitive I would say it is 12-15 on sensitive and that is too low. upper 20's to low 40's is best.

Don't get me wrong I am not against AI's, I just think if you have to take a lot of them it is better to titrate your T dose down.

So for instance if you did 100mg E5D rather than the 150 a week, it is roughly the same dosage and you will not peak as high or go as low, so this may solve your problem of not feeling as well day 6 or 7.

This also may cause less aroma, so maybe try taking an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) dose only on the day or after your injection, when TT levels are on the way up, instead of suppressing them when they are on there way down as well.

When testosterone converts to E, you have less testosterone, so its not always wise to throw more Aromatase inhibitor (AI) at the issue, it is wiser to lower dose a little, get less aroma and still have more TT.

You don't have to use HCG, but for some reaosn guys that are suppressed for a while, meaning supplementing testosterone for a long period, it seems the shut down becomes more prevalent, so Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) sometimes revitalizes you a bit.

HCG can also be used to stimulate E and DHT production, so some guys have a problem with low E, IMT even has a bitest cream which is testosterone and estrogen.

So try the 5 day, I bet it helps you a lot.

I find 2x a week to be problematic for some, this usually happens in the guys taking 50mg doses, it seems that at least 100mg dose at a time is what is need to stimulate most guys with lowT. Whether thats once a week every 5 days or 2x per week.

 

[tenn2525]

Not tring to Hijack, But I also appreciate the Det-Oaks Time spent on there offering advice and tring to educate us ! I think you are an awesome guy for helping everyone !