The famous Dianabol/ Deca stack?

[xzon]

what is this deca dianabol stack that i am hearing so much about from some older juice friends of mine.
they're all old champion powerlifters from russia.
they keep telling me to drop my test and do the dbol/deca stack instead?
i think its just oldschool reasoning?
but im interested whats hte deal with this?

 

[jcp2]

supposedly a great stack. I beleive the old timers would run dbol at a lower dose pretty much through the whole cycle though, as opposed to the way you will see most on the boards run it, which is the first four or five weeks for a jumpstart. I suggest adding some test, for the very least their will not be any in your system once you get shut down. At the very least add an amp a week. For best results add 2. the old test deca dbol stack cant really be beet for mass.

500mg test
400mg deca
dbol the first 4-5 30mg

 

[ACH]

I suggest adding some test, for the very least their will not be any in your system once you get shut down. At the very least add an amp a week. For best results add 2. the old test deca dbol stack cant really be beet for mass.

500mg test
400mg deca
dbol the first 4-5 30mg

yeah dont exclude the test IMO. I would agree two inj. and an oral is an awsome stack, I just prefer fina to deca.

 

[il21]

the simplest one that used to be the novice's cycle was
dbol: w 1-8, 4 or 5 tabs/d
deca: w 1-8, 300-600 mg/w

advanced version of it:

dbol: weeks 1-10: 3-4-5-6-6-6-6-5-4-3 tabs/day
deca: weeks 1-8: 300-600 mg/week

you'd use dbol longer than deca as deca is a long lasting one (we prefer finishing on dbol rather than using it for jumpstart. This is still the favorite use of bdol).
u can play with the amount of tabs (do 2-3-4-5-5-5-5-4-3-2) if u want

 

[il21]

oh and 10 w. of deca+dbol still costs you ~$130 if you purchase the stuff XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX


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[liftsiron]

Old school mass cycle would be test and deca on equal mgs per week. Most often the d-bol would be run in pryamid fashion ,2, 4, 6,6, 4, 2 etc. The length of the cycle would vary start test/deca two weeks before adding d-bol and continue for two weeks afterward. post cycle therapy (pct) was almost always hcg, nolvadex was often run during the cycle.

The magic to this cycle IMO lies in the D-bol used CIBA DIANABOL, it has never been duplicated, thai's, naps what ever, are just not the same as ciba dianabol. Anyone who has ever used this drug knows what I'm talking about.

 

[Mike Biggun]

Do any of you actually know what you're talking about? There was a post, by me saying that I had done a dbol and deca cycle (ok , i lied, it was a friend, but who cares). Anwyay, yo all told me i was a prick and that i knew nothing...now suddenly, it's a great stack. I don't understand

 

[il21]

to stonecold:
re Not sure what you were trying to get across, but ....

the only reason I wrote this was to show that it is cheap to get dbol and deca here (meaning over in europe) so it still continues to be the favorite stack for strength/mass buildup.

 

[jcp2]

Do any of you actually know what you're talking about? There was a post, by me saying that I had done a dbol and deca cycle (ok , i lied, it was a friend, but who cares). Anwyay, yo all told me i was a prick and that i knew nothing...now suddenly, it's a great stack. I don't understand

It will put size on you, and is very effective and alot of guys did it in the past before their was any science behind anything. Like i said, you should always have a little test in your cycles, for the very least because your body is producing none. I personally would not run a cycle without test, but it doesn't mean you will not make great gains.

 

[StoneColdNTO]

to stonecold:
re Not sure what you were trying to get across, but ....

the only reason I wrote this was to show that it is cheap to get dbol and deca here (meaning over in europe) so it still continues to be the favorite stack for strength/mass buildup.

OK...........I took it as "here" meaning from you, which most would have figured as well. Just looking out for the good of the board and it's members.

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Do any of you actually know what you're talking about? There was a post, by me saying that I had done a dbol and deca cycle (ok , i lied, it was a friend, but who cares). Anwyay, yo all told me i was a prick and that i knew nothing...now suddenly, it's a great stack. I don't understand

Please link me to that thread, I searched all your posts but could not find it. Do you actually know what you're talking about ??

 

[Conan35]

I hate DECA, I hate it I hate it I hate it
Every year or so, I give it another try. The sides suck, they are uncontrollable, and the gains/benefits are not worth it

I always use Test as a base for my cycles, I stay on test year round
I cycle orals 10 weeks on 10 weeks off (approx)
I am a big fan of fina

Test, Fina, abombs is a great stack for size, strength and definition.
****liquidex is highly recommended to keep water retention at a min.***

 

[DTOX]

If you've done any reading on Type I vs Type II steroids (those that act at the receptor vs those that work *outside* the receptor) you'll know why this stack is so popular. Basically it's a very good Type I stacked with a very good Type II that's going to give a synergy that really can't be beat.

(Interestingly enough, I've heard great things about the deca/winstrol stack for the same reasons as above).

Personally if I were going to run this I'd still add a little bit of test, and I'd also not start the d-bol until week 4 or 5 so that the deca has had plenty of time to build up in my system. If you use the d-bol in the first 4 weeks you're really not getting the synergy that you otherwise would. But again...that's just my personal take on things.

wk 1-8, deca 300mg/wk
wk 5-10, dbol 30mg/day

 

[Trevdog]

I'm not really understanding the logic that says that dropping test and running the same doses of deca and dbol alone is going to result in a better cycle.

Test is best.

 

[xzon]

this post of mine seems to have turned into something quite interesting. im reading all the replies and im further interested in what all of u are saying. thanks

 

[Conan35]

I'm not really understanding the logic that says that dropping test and running the same doses of deca and dbol alone is going to result in a better cycle.

Test is best.

I totally agree, test should be the base of any cycle

 

[thepeg]

test is the first thing i include when designing a cycle, front load of coarse then customize as u want...size cutting whatever.

 

[DTOX]

I'm not really understanding the logic that says that dropping test and running the same doses of deca and dbol alone is going to result in a better cycle.

Did I miss something? I don't think anyone was said that.

 

[ironmaster]

This comes from Duchaine's "Dirty Dieting" series. Dan made the statement that "if you can't grow on deca/dbol, you won't grow on anything".....and he was the Oracle at the time. He changed his tune later.
Truth is, these are indeed complimentary drugs......agonists, not antagonists at the AR receptor. But then adding in the test only makes the stack better. Most powerlifters I know are all about the test.
On liftsiron's side note......so true. Bodybuilder's today scoff at the light doses of dbol used in the past. Well let me tell you, 35mg of the blue Ciba's was not a light dose. I have little regard for any of the dianabol sold today. I played Division 1 football 1969-71. Our trainer handed out 5 or 6 Ciba's a day during summer training camp. I gained 25 pounds in a month and kept it on nothing but the dianabol.

 

[liftsiron]

This comes from Duchaine's "Dirty Dieting" series. Dan made the statement that "if you can't grow on deca/dbol, you won't grow on anything".....and he was the Oracle at the time. He changed his tune later.
Truth is, these are indeed complimentary drugs......agonists, not antagonists at the AR receptor. But then adding in the test only makes the stack better. Most powerlifters I know are all about the test.
On liftsiron's side note......so true. Bodybuilder's today scoff at the light doses of dbol used in the past. Well let me tell you, 35mg of the blue Ciba's was not a light dose. I have little regard for any of the dianabol sold today. I played Division 1 football 1969-71. Our trainer handed out 5 or 6 Ciba's a day during summer training camp. I gained 25 pounds in a month and kept it on nothing but the dianabol.

Little blue ciba's in the four sided bottle was ubelieveable