ultimate cycles for newbies

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you've heard the stories you've seen the guys at the gym grow daily on the latest mix of anabolic compounds the super stack. Your convinced test/deca/dbol is going to be a killer first cycle.Congratulations your an idiot.

you don't need to stack on a first cycle, in fact you probably wont need to stack for years. Why you ask? because for our first couple of cycles we have testosterone. Testosterone is both highly anabolic and highly androgenic.
It basically is a stack it is also highly versatile in its range of uses it can be used for mass ,lean mass and as a cutter. It is the single most useful drug in our arsenal.

before anyone uses steroids they should have at least 3 years hard training under there belt they should know there diet, maintenance calories, bulking calories and cutting calories. they should no how to gain naturally.They should have correct warm up/lifting techniques. They should have a squat of at least 350lbs,bench 250lbs, dead 350lbs. Why? because without the above they haven't built the base (nerves,connective tissue,tendon strenght) to be able to safely and effectively train and utilise steroids. On top of that your body will not be equipped to deal with the catabolic by products of hard training.The end result will be injuries and a yo-yo effect as your lack of ability is masked by steroids.You will only make gains whilst on and more than likely lose them when you come off. It makes for a vicious circle.It should be avoided at all costs.

Do the work don't take the shortcut. It is quite within 80% of beginners to be able to gain 30-60lbs of muscle in a year with correct diet and training.
Your body will thank you for it and you will make greater gains overall then someone who takes the shortcut.Remember it only takes one serious injury to put you out for good. The accelerated strength gains you'll make on steroids as a beginner will far outstrip the gains in connective tissue ..read injuries..

now for the super cycles.......

test ethanate or cyp ....start off on 300-500mg week for 8-12 weeks
repeat this cycle until it fails to show effective results
then increase dose by 100-250mg

a cycle of 750mg of test combined with an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) still gives me great results.
its cheaper and just as effective to run testosterone than an equivalent stack of say test /deca at the same total amount of aas.
Test is cheap simple and effective. Period
Save the fancy stacks for later on when you really need them to achieve specific goals. Don't be afraid as you progress to run a higher dose of test
i see countless people break the 1 gram a week mark in a stack but these same people are scared to run 1 gram of test.
 
test is definately the best.. only stack ill be using is test/deca test/eq for awhile
 
Raockape, I think you are on the right track, but I think the "rule of thumb" should be a bit tighter. It's hard to set these minimums..like 315 bench or something along those lines. I don't think that's the key. I think putting in enough time in the gym to know your body and what works best is paramount. I think steroids should be used to take that athlete over the top, instead of getting them to the top. The idea being that in the end, that athlete will be better for having grown on his own and understanding how best to grow whether on or off gear.
 
Im currently stacking test with fina and im getting great results I was bloated around my 4th week but do to the fina kicking it im on my 7th week and im back to normal with no bloat and my muscles are hard and defined looking
 
Swellin said:
Raockape, I think you are on the right track, but I think the "rule of thumb" should be a bit tighter. It's hard to set these minimums..like 315 bench or something along those lines. I don't think that's the key. I think putting in enough time in the gym to know your body and what works best is paramount. I think steroids should be used to take that athlete over the top, instead of getting them to the top. The idea being that in the end, that athlete will be better for having grown on his own and understanding how best to grow whether on or off gear.

ill admit its hard to put numbers on it...those numbers are the bare minimum
id personally like to see a lot more lbs lifted before roids...im just trying to get it through you must have a solid base before using steroids.also that as a beg-intermed you dont need fancy stacks and magic potions.Pretty much et al can be achieved with decent doses of test in the first two years.
 
No argument from me on any of that. I think the number is at least 5 years before you have explored enough different programs and diets (assuming you are extremely dilligent during that five years), to have any real knowledge about what you body responds to and what it doesn't.

Test and dbol will work for a LONG time without jacking the doses.

While I understand the reason to use only one compound, and I agree with it on principle, I think your first is genereally your best, so go ahead and do it right. Kick start it with a little dbol....go ahead and get the most from it.

My first was test/deca. I ran 300mg of deca for my joints....what a mistake. lol I should have gone with test/dbol.

I back you on all point Rockape...in fact, I am even more of a prude about the stuff you are saying.
 
Swellin said:
No argument from me on any of that. I think the number is at least 5 years before you have explored enough different programs and diets (assuming you are extremely dilligent during that five years), to have any real knowledge about what you body responds to and what it doesn't.

Test and dbol will work for a LONG time without jacking the doses.

While I understand the reason to use only one compound, and I agree with it on principle, I think your first is genereally your best, so go ahead and do it right. Kick start it with a little dbol....go ahead and get the most from it.

My first was test/deca. I ran 300mg of deca for my joints....what a mistake. lol I should have gone with test/dbol.

I back you on all point Rockape...in fact, I am even more of a prude about the stuff you are saying.


why what happened to you because of the deca
 
First, I had no idea which sides were attributed to test and which were attributed to the deca. I puffed up like somebody stuck a bicycle pump up my ass. I was just using deca. I added l-dex because of the deca, and found that my body doesn't like l-dex. I felt like shit the whole time. I lost strength because of the l-dex (determined by testing it during another cycle).
The rest of the story....
I was using good ole Tornel test e (underdosed junk) at 500mg per week. Around the end of week 6, I started having a less than full mast woody. I put up with that for a week. Then I added another 100mg of test. That fixed the problem.

I wish I had just run a single ester test alone, with a kick start of dbol. I did end with prop, which I really like. Of course, a newbie might very well want to just throw in a spot of dbol at the end (after the last shot)...just to keep things kicking until the test clears and you can start right in on pct. Just an option, but it tends to muddy the water, so I hesitate even mentioning it.

It has been several years since that cycle, and I have just now decided to add deca back into the mix in my next cycle.

For some it give no problems...for others...it is a pain in the ass.
 
Swellin said:
I back you on all point Rockape...in fact, I am even more of a prude about the stuff you are saying.

in all reality the numbers should be higher and the years longer....but a lot of these kids are way ambitious about roids and as soon as you mention those numbers theyll just shut off and think your an idiot....
this is hardly cutting edge stuff..my only hope is one out of the hundred of newbs wholl read this will actually take it to heart..
 
and perhaps avoid the injuries..which can cripple your lifting career....
 
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