Stick & Move
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What's with the new info here that I'm seeing and hearing about? Tren higher than Test? This is new. Since I joined everyone agreed on Test higher than Tren. I'm 5 weeks out from starting my next Test, Tren cycle.
What's the basis on running Tren higher than Test?
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DEE RAWL
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its not "new" in my opinion, as in 2-3 years old from what I've seen on forums. I think it just comes down to the person. And I know one of the things I read, whether its true or not I do not know, but supposedly the test and tren fight for the same receptors and since tren is the more potent of the two you just want enough test to keep you functional and feeling good say 250-350mg week, and the tren 400mg and up per week. Again this is just one thing I've seen.
Repo
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Yeah I'm half way through my test and tren cycle and have been hearing the same thing.
What DEE RAWL is saying sounds correct but I'm not 100% sure either.
I've been running my test at almost double my tren - but I'm going to try tipping the scale the other way and see what happens.
Great topic to bring up Stick & Move!
What DEE RAWL is saying sounds correct but I'm not 100% sure either.
I've been running my test at almost double my tren - but I'm going to try tipping the scale the other way and see what happens.
Great topic to bring up Stick & Move!
You guys are basically correct. They are both highly androgenic and compete for the same androgen receptor so you could essentially run about 300mg of test and run the tren at a higher dose or you can continue to run your test at the higher dose and tren lower depending on what your goals are. Hopefully DET OAK will chime in on this because he is a great source of info on this and where I took my info from. If I were to trust someone on this topic it's him. The point of it is maximizing gains.
This is not the same for deca though. You still need a higher test ratio with that.
This is not the same for deca though. You still need a higher test ratio with that.
Stick & Move
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So does this mean we can safely increase our tren doses? To maximize even greater gains. I can't imagine that it could get any better than last cycle of 750 test and 500 tren. But I'm up for trying anything.
Cobra Strike
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I've been on this forum now since last December and just within the last week I have seen this being mentioned here. I run my test at 800 and tren at 500 and my test levels are upwards around 2000 on my blood work results...I'm not arguing that this is a false statement but in my experience when my test dosage gets closer to the tren dosage I have libido issues. Now even if the tren competes for the same receptor as test I do believe that I'm not wasting the extra 300 mg of test....if I was running 500 mg of test my levels wouldn't come back that high. I know stick and move is going to try this theory out and I'm anxious to see the results but ur not gonna catch me changing my tren cycle based off this idea....that's just me though and I may react different than most.
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Stick & Move
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One thing I can't control is my libido when my test is that high. All I have is pussy on the brain and enjoy keeping it that way.
This is something that you do have to see how it works for you as cobra said it's not worth it to me if libido takes a dive but the thought is that libido should be fine as long as your are getting testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) doses or a little higher like 300mg. It really makes sense to utilize the stronger of the two at the higher dose but you would have to see for yourself.
5x10
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the only reasoning i have heard is that higher estrogen increases the odds of high progesterone sides coming out
test will increase your estro, and without an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), might actually bring out deca/tren dick
so the old saying of "double your test" might actually makes problems worse
test will increase your estro, and without an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), might actually bring out deca/tren dick
so the old saying of "double your test" might actually makes problems worse
Cobra Strike
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Correct. Although if anyone is running aas without an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), atleast on hand, shouldn't be running aas in the first place.
Stick & Move
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So if I try this kind of test dosing, my big question is how high should I run my Tren on a cutting diet. Do I start my test a week earlier to get my levels up? Normally I would Just run my Tren at 500 Test at 750 and run 12 weeks with a Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and pharmi for the prolactin if needed.
Cobra Strike
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No need to start your test earlier as you are using the enanthate ester for both. The levels will compound themselves at nearly the same rate.
And quit calling it pharmi!
Repo
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Ah screw it - I'm going to keep the test high for the rest of the cycle!
I've recently upped my test to 750 and tren to 500 - and seem to be getting a little puffy in the face.
Do you guys think this is from holding more water or possible estrogen levels being elevated?
I''ve been running prami at 0.5 for the whole time and just started using aromasin - no signs if gyno - so do you think aromasin is a good idea incase it's estrogen causing this?
I should also mention I have been running proviron for a while and have recently lowered the dose - just to give myself a little break.
Any ideas?
I've recently upped my test to 750 and tren to 500 - and seem to be getting a little puffy in the face.
Do you guys think this is from holding more water or possible estrogen levels being elevated?
I''ve been running prami at 0.5 for the whole time and just started using aromasin - no signs if gyno - so do you think aromasin is a good idea incase it's estrogen causing this?
I should also mention I have been running proviron for a while and have recently lowered the dose - just to give myself a little break.
Any ideas?
Cobra Strike
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It sounds like your retaining water bro...Im not gonna give you the regular scoop but how much water are you drinking and are you watching your sodium intake?
The aromasin should help a little but I got puffy in the face to and the only way I could tell is because I matched up old pics to new ones and my face is now round compared to what it was lol
I never adjust dosages up on a cycle....every fuckin time I do that I get side effects
I've dealt with the puffy face issue on previous cycles even on a-dex. Currently almost 7 weeks in 150prop/100ace & have no puffiness issues at all. The change I made was to aromasin 12.5 mg eod. Prami .50 mg eod for keeping prolactin issues at bay as well. Definitely keeping an eye on sodium intake.
Not to stray from topic matter but Cobra you have alot of posts for coming on board since Dec. Just sayin... Hey I thought I was active but you da man!
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Repo
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Water intake is good but my sodium is another story - that should go down - it's not real bad but it could play a part in it.
Seems like the puffiness started when I upped the test - I remember DET calling it his moon face.
All-in-all it's not real bad - curious what others seen - thanks for the feedback.
Cobra Strike
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you havent heard?Cobra is the king of the gear police!!!!!!!!lol
hahaha its chief bro!!!
THE-DET-OAK
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Whats up fellas. USER you have a wealth of info, especially on peptides, I have learned from you a number of times.
Keep in mind you dont HAVE to run your test higher with deca, but you will get more gains that way, also taking the risk of more sides (its always that way, more gains more sides). Simply because Deca is more of an anabolic. Its not androgenic. The best steroids have both a high anabolic/androgenic ratio. They are are the best because this produces a synergistic effect. Im learning more and more as I grow in this game and the field of Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) that it is the synergistic effect that we want.
Example: GH alone sux. run GH for 3 months then throw in some test and watch out. Again GH is anabolic.
Just look at the increase collagen thread, low dose test high deca, EQ or Var. Mgunz did this and he liked it just fine.
Tren on the other hand is highly androgenic and highly anabolic, but does not aromatize. This is beneficial for estro sides.
A friend of mine has known this guy for like 15 years, they have both been "ON" for that long, testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) blast cruise whatever. this guy has never cycled anything besides TREN for the last 7 years. He never has libido issues and he is a fucking monster, he dwarfs me.
Tren should not inhibit your libido, it should increase it, since its very androgenic.
If TREN were to somehow get prolactin out of control, which is VERY unlikely, high prolactin can squash libido, this is why it takes forever to bust on progestins, decreased penis sensitivity. This is MUCH more likely to happen with DECA.
We only have so many receptors in our body, roughly, they die off and re grow all the time. Different types of receptors are in specific areas of our body, mostly. androgen, estrogen a shitload of them. Once we fill up the androgen receptor the rest of the medication is wasted, it doesnt do anything.
Keep in mind Cobra that just cause your T levels are 2000 does not mean your using it. The first 1980 mgs gets gobbled up by albumin and SHBG right away, and that never hits a receptor. now you have the rest attaching to recptors in your body. it is really just a signaling system, you can only make the signal so strong.
Since I want the tren gains, dry lean huge vascular gains, I want the tren to attach to more recptors than the test right? its a synergistic effect in one nice formula, and the best one AAS wise.
So running 4-600 tren (i know guys that say the real size gains from tren are up around 7-800mg shooting 100 or so daily) with 300 test is great.
These guys run low dose test with it, just enough for normal activities, we dont need any anabolic or androgenic muscle building effects from it, we have the tren for that.
This will actually leave you less prone to side effects, since high prolactin is usually associated with high estro.
I also know a guy that was on high dose tren for 6 months and wound up in the hospital with liver/kidney problems. Cant prove it was the tren, but he was otherwise a healthy guy.
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