Your Program Sucks, by Dave Tate

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This is probably some of the best advice for all people who either are, or are going into strength and conditioning coaching (like I plan to). Also great advice for all of us who give pointers on the boards, and those who just wanna make themselves better.



Your Program Sucks!
By Dave Tate
For EliteFTS


The New Breed
We have happened upon a new age of strength and conditioning. I have seen this coming for sometime now but tried to dismiss it as a fad. Actually, this has been evolving since the first strength coaches were put into place but have pick up speed with the popularity of personal training over the past 10 years. I began to see this first hand five years ago when I began giving seminars, but at the time it was very infrequent. Today I see it everyday. I see it on the internet, journals, magazines, TV, you name it. I have termed this new breed The Savvy Strength Specialist, or SSS for short.

Here is an example of what I am speaking about. While conducting a seminar, a thin hand goes up in the front of the room. When called upon, I get asked a question like “So what are your thoughts on the inverse bio-sequential process? This is then followed with “have you ever used imbalanced adductocentric patterns? This causes my head to spin, as I have no freakin idea what he is talking about.


It then dawns on me that this guy has done his homework and is much more educated that I am, but at what expense? His program still sucks!

Ability to Think
It seems to me that we are now in the age of the overeducated under-trained strength coach and trainer. This new bread owns and studies everything they can find on training to the point it has become too much and the have totally fried their ability to think for themselves and use common sense in the development of the strength programs.

They have also developed the ability to take these concepts and package them into articles and seminars to make themselves appear as experts in the field, but the program still sucks!

The Great Process
Their published articles and concepts then hit the market and become “the next great training process”. The circle continues and training becomes more and more complicated for the average coach and trainer to understand and implement. This is coupled with the fact that the concepts are usually based upon theory with little or no application. What we are left with are dozens of self proclaimed experts who have little to no training experience to back up their theories coaching thousands of readers on the “best” way for them to train.

Three Steps
I was once told that the way to truly seek out a good coach or trainers involves a three step process. These three steps include: education, ability and action. I do not hold each of these three steps at the same value because each step can be more important that the other depending on the profession track the coach or trainer wishes too seek. For example, a professor would need a higher education base to teach in a class room while a coach needs to have a very strong process for ability. Ability, in short is getting the job done in the weight room while action is showing you believe in your process.

Balance
Let’s examine these three steps in regards to the strength and condition coach or trainer. I am very close to these professions and feel I know the market from all sides of the spectrum. I have put my time in as a coach, trainer, writer, speaker and small business owner. I have also come to know many athletes, trainers, coaches, professors from the fitness field. Not only do I know these markets I can tell you the average age, hobbies, income and dozens of other demographic variables associated with these groups. The one thing I have found is there are NO EXPERTS, not one, nada. I also know we are all looking for the same things: To better ourselves, teams and athletes. As long as these three are kept in balance things move forward.

When the desire to better yourself becomes greater than the desire to better your client, team or athlete then your program sucks!

Education
Education is very important to the strength coach and trainer. Education also comes from many forms, styles, and places. You should look everywhere for new ideas and thoughts, These can be found in trade journals, conferences, networking with other professionals in the industry, magazines, web sites, forums and discussion groups, seminars, and books. You should also look outside of the strength and conditioning profession for other ideas you may have never thought about. Staying in your own field will also place limits on your growth because you will only be using what has already been done before. You want to position yourself as a leader not a follower. DO NOT overlook the educational resources at your local gym or private training center. If you want to learn strength then you have to get to the source and talk with those who process it.

The most common I see with the education of the trainers and coaches today is that it is so over killed to the point of being ridiculous. They look like they have spent thousands of hours reading with no time in the gym. This is great if you wish to be a professor but if you want to get great results as a coach you need to realize that there is a huge difference between “book smart” and “gym smart”. To this day I still hear remarks about very smart people such as “Yes, he is smart as hell and has a very high IQ, but he has no common sense”. This is the same with coaching and training. “Yes, he really knows his stuff but his exercise technique is the worst I have ever seen”.

Education is important but it all has to work into what your own training philosophy is. We all come from different places, with difference experiences so why do so many try to copy others training philosophies? Strength Training is a much an art as it is a science and the only way to have a high level of success is to build upon what you truly believe is correct. I am blow away the number of times I have asked a coach or trainer what their training philosophy is and all I get in return is a blank stare. Yet, they still have a ton of questions to ask. How can you ask a question when you have no idea how you will use the answer? Your questions should always be building upon what will help your philosophy and keep in mind your philosophy can and will change over time.

In short you may think you have a great program but without a real base on education you are training in the dark and your program sucks!

Ability
You also have to have the ability to make your team or clients stronger. By this I do not mean taking someone who is below average and making them good, anyone can do this. You have to have the ability to make a good athlete great.

Ability is taking your philosophy and making it work. If your training philosophy holds strength at a very high level, then you have to be able to make your athletes or clients stronger. This determines the success of your program. I am amazed at the number of times I have heard “We have a great program, it is from so and so university and it always works for them but it did not work for us” No it worked for the coach who had the ability to implement the program because it was based on HIS philosophy. How can you be expected to have great ability implementing a program that is not based on your own philosophy? This is also true for all those who say, “We tried the Westside program and it did not work for us”. I would also bet these same coaches have also tried many “other” programs and they also did not work for them. If they do not have the ability to make it work then NO IT WILL NOT WORK.

So how do you develop ability? First pick a program you believe in and know. This will be a program based on your training philosophy. Second, you must learn communication skills ranging from the verbal to non-verbal. You have to be able to read your athletes and clients to know how they feel about the program and what they are putting into it. You also have to know when to push them and when to back it off. These are skills that come with time and can’t be taught in any classroom or books because different people will react differently to the same stimulus.

In short you can have great education but without the ability to put it to use your program sucks!

Action
Lastly, the coach themselves have to also be above average in the weight room. I personally feel this is the most important of the three. This is my biased opinion because I have been training for power lifting competitions since 1983. I can honestly say everything I have learned about training has been directly related to my time under the bar and the people I have met along the way. When you passion in strength, you always find a way to get better. Let’s look at it this way. The average personally training client will not last one year, the high school strength coach will have an athlete for 3-4 years, the University level coach will also have the athlete for 4 years. Now most of the times you get these athletes and clients with a very limited training back ground and knowledge. If this is all you have then the only knowledge about training you will have particle experience with is 1-4 years, this cycle continues over and over and what have you really learned. Compare this to training yourself (seriously, not some get in shape fitness crap program) for the past 10 years. You would have ten years of evolving experience that will keep building you will also gain the ability and experience of:
1. What real straining should feel and look like.
2. What being in shape really is really about?
3. How to set the bar for each lift.
4. What it means to stay tight.
5. How to breathe under tension.
6. How to grip the bar for the best results.
7. How the slightest correction can make all the difference.
8. That strength can be limited depending on who is coaching it.
9. What bar speed feels like?
10. Plus a million other things you will not read in books.

When you train yourself you also gain the respect of your clients and athletes. They will look up to you for what you can do, not because they have to because the coach says so. They will want to seek your advice to be better. I can’t count the number of times I have had conversations with athletes and clients of other trainers about strength development. They all want to know what they should be doing. At the same time I hear the coaches saying that their athletes do not care about training. Funny how many times I have spoken with their athletes and they seem pretty damn serious to me. I often wonder if the coach did not look like a pinhead if these athletes would be asking me questions.

If you look like a pinhead and could not lift a heavy weight to save your life, then your program sucks!

Summary
Get educated, put a weight on your back, develop the ability to implement your training philosophy or your program will suck!
 
i been saying this for years. you wanna be rich go to someone whos got money, not someone who talks about how to get money but dont have any.

if i want tips on benching i dont go to some guy who cant bench 500, i go to someone who is benching more than me.

i see too many trainers at my gym and others who dont move any amount of weight and have thier clients doing the same sorry ass routines. i mean if a guy has been lifting for 10+ years, still dont squat and has chicken legs then why the hell is this guy training foilks? it baffles me.

sometimes i get a little frustrated on thses boards when i see a guy giving advise on lifting and he weighs 157lbs soaking wet. hes overtrained, under nourised and wants give advise. please be quiet and read for a while til you figure out what the deal is. I am not saying everyone has to be a 600lb bencher but at least make some decent gains before spewing your garbage.

i think i am done. =0)
 
pullinbig said:
i been saying this for years. you wanna be rich go to someone whos got money, not someone who talks about how to get money but dont have any.

if i want tips on benching i dont go to some guy who cant bench 500, i go to someone who is benching more than me.

i see too many trainers at my gym and others who dont move any amount of weight and have thier clients doing the same sorry ass routines. i mean if a guy has been lifting for 10+ years, still dont squat and has chicken legs then why the hell is this guy training foilks? it baffles me.

sometimes i get a little frustrated on thses boards when i see a guy giving advise on lifting and he weighs 157lbs soaking wet. hes overtrained, under nourised and wants give advise. please be quiet and read for a while til you figure out what the deal is. I am not saying everyone has to be a 600lb bencher but at least make some decent gains before spewing your garbage.

i think i am done. =0)
preach on brother PB :D
 
well you may not be comforatable in your skin but i am. i am secure in my manhod. and if you bend over ill be secure in yours too. =0)
 
ahhhh... that brings back memories. gagging that girl in the back seat and watching her puke. then she had to finish up.

i think my test is getting kinda high. hmmm let me go find the little lady befo i go to da gym.
 
i dont completely agree pullinbig.

even people who have hundreds of millions of dollars still have CPAs that make a fraction of that.

in high school football my coach had never even played. but he had years of experience, studied the game, and was a good leader. we won state, twice.
 
Goat Ass said:
i dont completely agree pullinbig.

even people who have hundreds of millions of dollars still have CPAs that make a fraction of that.

in high school football my coach had never even played. but he had years of experience, studied the game, and was a good leader. we won state, twice.
the cpa annalogy isnt a good comparison to me , a rich persons cpa is probably a genius at tax shelters and stuff like that but that doesnt mean he knows how to make money , he knows how to keep it from uncle sam .
the football analogy is pretty good , sports is like weightlifting in that its not a exact science and changes with the weaknesses and strengths of the people involved . the only problem is as you said hes a high school coach , not a major collage or pro coach . im sure the vast majority of coaches at major collages and pros have experienced playing at 1 level or another . does that mean that its impossible for a coach whos never played the game cant be a great coach , of course not . but it does mean the odds are better for a coach who has . weightlifting is still a little different , you arent handed a highschool team who has to follow your instructions to do your learning and experimenting with , instead a lot of what you learn is through trial and error yourself and with your training partners so being a succesfull weightlifter yourself is almost essential in earning the respect of the people you are trying to train/help . that being said PB saying he wouldnt go to a guy benching 500 , instead he would go to someone who benched more than him isnt probably 100% true , i can promise if a guy lifting in one of the lower weight classes was benching over 500 PB would listen very carefully to anything the man said , he might not follow the guys instructions but he would pay attention and store the info , maybe even try out some of the stuff himself . the same goes for a guy whos genetics suck for bench , lets say hes a monster deadlifter due to long arms but somehow hes still a respectable bencher , the guy is obviously getting everything possible out of his bench given his genetics , if his program can do that for him it might work for others as well even if they bench more allready .
 
as always my statements cannot cover every concievable situation. there are always exceptions to the rule. yeah if a 114 lb guy is benching 405 hes got my attention. no doubt. btw dawgy the 165 bench record is 608. :D

as far as the cpa analogy if the guy is so good with money then why aint he rich? the reason the rich guy has cpa's in his employ is so that he can have more time to make money. its part of the plan.

as far as picking a strength coach goes if a guy knows how to be strong and (barring an injury or disability) isnt strong or never has been strong then whats the sense in having the book knowledge? it aint expereince its knowledge. thats what dave referred to.

but hey if you guys wanna get a trainer who lifts light, weighs 147, dont squat deep, and dont give a damn about your progress then have at it.

there are a lot of good trainers out there. my point is find a good one. dont give your money to some fruit loop. before you buy a car what do you do? you make sure you get the most car you can for the money. why should hiring a trainer be any differnt.

and as always you guys be safe. eat more meat. :D
 
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all i am saying is i do not buy into the thinking that people must follow their own schools of expertise. they are doing incredible things in the kinesiology of sprinting lately - do you think any of those scientists could even run 200m?

at some level it all boils down to hardcore science. you can love the science but not practice the science yourself.

now, i am not saying you should necessarily pick a 120lb trainer with toothpick limbs and a sunken chest. but by the same token i won't pick a guy simply because he's huge and posts up good lifts. i think the satisfaction and results their previous clients achieved are of far more importance than the physique of the trainer. if two trainers come in equal measured on that scale, yes, i'll probably pick the guy who's in better shape.
 
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