I feel ya man, I haven't touched anything, just the good ole creatine and whey with diet and training in shape..That's all you really need...I'm only 187 at 5'11 though (around 14%, been on the bulk haha)....Yeah it smells like ass, taste like throw up (aftertaste) but damn, so intense...the only thing I don't like about is that it is a stimulant....Have you ever tried premax by pp? It's all natural but costs 50 bucks for 10 servings (damn!!)