So I recently saw a urologist to get bloodwork done because I was having bouts of depression, had a very low sex drive, and weak erections. Even now when I'm with my girl a lot of the time my erections are weak and floppy. My results came back and I have 14.2pg/mL free testosterone, and 308ng/dL total testosterone. The doctor said the total testosterone is "borderline low" but to be 19 and have T levels like that isn't normal. I've never done any steroid or ph cycles, completely natty and been lifting for 2.5 years. I was thinking maybe I should run some clomid alone for 6 weeks (50mg for 3 weeks, 25mg for 2 weeks, 12.5 for last week) to stimulate my HPTA and start producing more test? I'd also run arimidex at a dose of .25mg every other day to keep estrogen levels down. I really don't want to go on TRT at such a young age...
19 years old and low testosterone
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riprockwell
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Yeah your doctor is an idiot. 308 at 19 years old is low. Again, it's not even about numbers as much as it is symptoms. I love how doctors just see it as being in the range. Why don't they look at the average level for guys YOUR age which is important. I would say the average would be at least 800-900 thus making your result not look so bright. What else did you get tested? Did they test your LH or FSH?? I definitely need to see more results but I would rather try a restart than hopping on TRT at such a young age. Besides, good luck getting a TRT script at 19 years old anyway. Did they test other hormones like thyroid, estrogen, cortisol, etc??
Megatron28
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Average TT for 18-19 is somewhere around 600ng/dl.
riprockwell
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Damn is it really that low now?? Geez. The last study I remember from the late 90's showed a guy in his late 20's around 680. Mega, why do you think it is so low?? I do remember when I first got tested for low T, the reference range for total T was 350-1100. Then a year later the range was 200-850.
riprockwell
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Here was the chart I saw years ago.............
Testosterone: What's a Normal Testosterone Level in Men? | The Art of Manliness
Testosterone: What's a Normal Testosterone Level in Men? | The Art of Manliness
Nope, just tested for free testosterone and total testosterone. If I were to do a restart, would the effects be permanent after I came off the clomid? Also, is that a good protocol I have in the OP?
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Alpin
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A 18-19 year old ???
No way was average for a 19 year old 600 ng/dl 15 years ago....
It might be now.
I too have seen these changes in the ranges for blood labs...
Labs have reduced there high end of T by 100-200 ng/dl in the last 5 years alone here form what I see with older labs.
Alpin
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you don't know the facts on your pituitary hormones or why you are low in T for your age.
Doc needs to do his job properly and test: LH, FSH, Prolactin, Estradiol, TSH, T3, T4 and possibly an MRI of pituitary if prolactin is elevated.
Look into getting a sleep study done.
B.t.w. Clomid is run 50 mg EOD for at least 4 months....
I've heard a lot that Clomid kills libido. But this is usually during PCT after coming off of a cycle, so it would make sense why libido goes away. In the case of a restart, assuming Clomid raises your test levels, what effect would it have on libido? And yeah, I might need to go to an endo and get full bloodwork done.
STAUNCHED427
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Have you ever used any natural test boosters ever? Some people have used what was seemingly a natural harmless product and it has actually been a prohormone.
It would be good to see LH, FSH, Estradiol and SHBG aswell if possible?
It would be good to see LH, FSH, Estradiol and SHBG aswell if possible?
Nope, haven't used any test boosters even. My test results only had normal and free test on them.
Could this possibly be seasonal depression? I live in Seattle and this only happened to me recently (early October) around the time it started getting rainy and dark. Ever since then I've been slightly depressed, low sex drive, etc. Perhaps low vitamin D levels could have contributed to a drop in testosterone?
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Megatron28
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Who knows? Maybe they rolled out a different testing method or calibrated the machines differently. Flouride in the water supply. No clue -- but could be countless reasons.
riprockwell
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Yeah I know what you mean. Just shocking that it is so damn low now. Men are basically becoming women. lol. Thank God for TRT.
I is true though.I have even seen it happenings. Kids are not maturing like they used to. I can look at my fathers highschool pictures and all the men were big. Big framed and all about 6 foot give or take. All of them had facial hair and just had that man look...now guys in highschool are lucky if they weigh 140 pounds. All short and very very little boyish features. Very small and weak looking. It is very very noticable
STAUNCHED427
Elite Juicer
I'd say it's the lifestyle choices, medications that are thrown out far too much and the big one IMO is the bullshit addictives that's in food, more often than not processed, these days. Although my lifestyle was good and healthy, I was in the gym and on no medication so it doesn't explain why I am low...
We just don't live like we used to, no doubt back in the caveman era I would not be surprised if the average male testosterone level was 2-3x what is consider normal now. We live far differently than what we were programmed to do, which is hunt and survive, literally like an animal and have the urge to find a female and mate with, rather we are stuck in a day to day rat race of wake up, work which many are just sit at an office with poor lifestyle choices, polluted air and the big one just shit food and chemicals and our main primitive biological feature to find a female and literally bang is just not there because of social conventions and the way society is, those feelings which is our ultimate feature is supressed. Think of all the medications people are on, they all get pissed out along with whatever other pollutants are in the air/water which eventually ends up in the water/food we consume, albeit in micro amounts.
Just some rambling, but it does make all the sense in the world.
We just don't live like we used to, no doubt back in the caveman era I would not be surprised if the average male testosterone level was 2-3x what is consider normal now. We live far differently than what we were programmed to do, which is hunt and survive, literally like an animal and have the urge to find a female and mate with, rather we are stuck in a day to day rat race of wake up, work which many are just sit at an office with poor lifestyle choices, polluted air and the big one just shit food and chemicals and our main primitive biological feature to find a female and literally bang is just not there because of social conventions and the way society is, those feelings which is our ultimate feature is supressed. Think of all the medications people are on, they all get pissed out along with whatever other pollutants are in the air/water which eventually ends up in the water/food we consume, albeit in micro amounts.
Just some rambling, but it does make all the sense in the world.
Rida5d
city of the sun
We have evolved big time.. We reached to the moon , find cure for lots of diseases and still labs give us "normal range" for men between 18-90 years old.. How retarded could that be?
Why the fuck, can't they link the healthy (within the range) to the age ? Someone plz tell me.
Jeez I've seen like 200 charts for healthy TT / age and no chart give the same number.
Stupid docs look at the healthy accepted range and say: you are ok.
Ok my ASS.
Why the fuck, can't they link the healthy (within the range) to the age ? Someone plz tell me.
Jeez I've seen like 200 charts for healthy TT / age and no chart give the same number.
Stupid docs look at the healthy accepted range and say: you are ok.
Ok my ASS.
STAUNCHED427
Elite Juicer
Evolved? Yes in some ways, but yes the normal range of testosterone levels is far, far outdated and not specific to age groups.
Why? Ignorance. Testosterone is a steroid. Steroids are bad mmmkay. It's the stigma associated with it. Ignorance isn't bliss, it's slowly killing people.
Why? Ignorance. Testosterone is a steroid. Steroids are bad mmmkay. It's the stigma associated with it. Ignorance isn't bliss, it's slowly killing people.
Rida5d
city of the sun
Testosterone is a hormone and an important one.. Many people are on the low side and they never touched AAS. That is called a medical condition, and insurance cover it.
MY question is still valid.. Why the heck can't they link the healthy range with age.. That is beyond my understanding.
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